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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
How is this a 1938 Goudey proof when Hubbel is not in the 1938 Goudey set?? Dan. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Marc S.
GAI said so, after all! |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: jdrum
You missed it, it's a "Goudy" proof, not a Goudey proof. I've never seen it. Not sure what that is. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: JimB
I don't know what makes it a proof, what dates it at 1938, or how they determined it was produced by Goudey. This is completely irresponsible. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jim VB
Seller has 10 different cards from this "set" on Ebay. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
He has Slaughter which started in 1938 I believe and Hubbell who ended in the early 1940s. So maybe they are correct? How can they slab that like that???? I hope they have some information that I am missing. Dan. The backs favor a 1935 Gooooody not a 1938. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Bruce Dorskind
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jim VB
Two clues to how they dated it. Slaughter was a rookie in 1938 and it says that on the card. And Gee (Gerald) Walker was traded before the 1938 season and it says that on the card. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
Great points Jim, and how do we know it is Goudey? Is that on any of the cards? I didn't look too closely, running out to golf. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jim VB
Bruce is correct though. The puzzle back is Mickey Cochrane (The 10 different cards only show 4 different backs.) and Cochrane retired after the 1937 season. I guess you could presume that the combination of Slaughter, Walker, and Cochrane narrowed it to 1938, but Goudey??? (or even Goudy) |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Brian T.
I have never seen the fronts of those cards before, but the backs are identical to the 1935 Goudey 4-in-1 set - including the puzzle piece designation, and the corner art. In the 1935 Goudey set, the puzzle pieces form nine different pictures: Detroit Tigers team, Chuck Klein, Frankie Frisch, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Jimmy Foxx, Al Simmons, Cleveland Indians team, or Washington Senators team. The interesting thing about these puzzles is that there are more puzzle pieces (72) than cards in the set (36). As a result, all cards have several different backs. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Chris Counts
That looks like Joe Medwick's photo on the Frank McCormick card ... |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Red
Front info dates "cards" to 1938. Slaughter referred to as rookie with last year's ML record. Camili was with Phillies 1937 and Dodgers 38. Some other cards refer to 37 season. Puzzles are 6 piece configuration. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
ok the year is nailed down, backs are exactly like the 1935 set. Goudey made an interesting set in 1938 so maybe they started with these and changed their minds? Very interesting! |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: barrysloate
How do we know it's a Goudey?- how do we know it's even a baseball card? |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
YOU GO BARRY! I am trying to collect all facts before I slam anyone. I would actually be shocked if GAI slabbed a glued together never seen before issue wouldn't you? Flags go up immediately and they would see if the 2 pieces were attached and not printed don't you think? Just some thoughts here. Dan. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: barrysloate
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is a card of some sort. Then why is it a 1938 Goudey proof? And why would Goudey use the back of a regular issue 1935 Goudey? That sounds more like printer's scrap. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
It's interesting but I'm not ready to write it off. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Rhys
Considering that you can see part of the 1935 Four in One card beneath the paste job on this card |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Good catch, Rhys, but I'm not sure that Global would slab an obvious paste job. There must be something about the card that made them think it was real. But I'm curious about why they're in Global slabs and not PSA or SGC. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: jay wolt
Al, Did you contact the seller for more info. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Jay, I did send the seller a note. As a guy who has a big chunk of his hobby time (and money) invested in 1938 Goudeys, I am extremely curious about these. I'm dubious about them, but there are enough interesting details that I'm not ready to completely write them off yet. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Rhys
I think you would have to have some pretty impressive accompaning evidence to support a new find when they are obviously paste jobs and the years dont match up. Whether this was done in 1938 or it was done recently to deceive, the end result is the same, these are just paper photos glued to 35 goudey cards unless you find something with it from Goudey saying "This is a test issue" or something they cant really be considered anything else in my opinion. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: T206Collector
....but on that Danning "card" you can see the Danning front was pasted on top of one of those 4-in-1 cards. Indeed, you can see the top of the two top boxes at the top edge of where the Danning cover was pasted. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: jay wolt
Al - let us know the info that the seller shares with you. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Rob D.
This is one of those cases in which the answer seems so obvious (two cards pasted together) you wonder what the grader saw -- that we're missing -- that caused him to not reject the cards. Common sense tells you there must be more to this ... |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: barrysloate
I'm with Rhys 100% on this one. I think this is just a mistake and it shouldn't have been slabbed. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
I see the blue lines of the 35 Goudey below! How can that be graded??? We have to be missing something. GAI has some good people there and I can't imagine they would slab pasted together crap and label it some proof card. I am swaying over to the Rhys - Sloate arena but for now, I want to give Global the benefit of doubt. Dan. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
Dear r337man, |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Rob D.
I guess that settles it. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I got exactly the same response as Dan did, word for word. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: boxingcardman
This seller also had a group of very dodgy boxing cards for sale closing today. They were supposedly GAI authenticated but had a plain paper label. Someone may be taking the GAI name for a ride here. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
Excellent point Adam! You should be a lawyer! I never thought of that. Dan. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
"Someone may be taking the GAI name for a ride here. " |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jim VB
The numbers check out with GAI's website. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Alan U
Not sure if anyone noted this before, but the cert. number comes up on the GAI website: |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
WOW! Just looked at the Danning card, ok, I am 100% with Rhys and Barry now! Sorry Rhys and Barry, forgive my ignorance or maybe it was just me wanting these to be legit. GAI needs to buy these and get them off of the market! I know Joe Orlando would have already cleaned this mistake up in minutes and taken care of everyone involved! I just ditched writing that. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Red
That Danning card certainly settles what they are. Without documentation from somebody connected with Goudey they're just cards a kid made up a long time ago with some glue. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: boxingcardman
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Dennis
look at the left border on the enlarged photo....it's a bad scissors cut.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261524774&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jim VB
I have no direct knowledge of these cards and hesitate to muck up the water, but here goes... |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Maybe the flips aren't misspelled at all and these cards were created by a kid named "Goudy" circa 1938. So, in fact, these are his proofs for a set that never came into fruition. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: David Smith
It might take some time but the easiest way to tell, at least to me, if these are "proofs" or not would be to see if the pictures and captions are from any books or magazines. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
I think at this point, GAI should at least comment on these abominations. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Josh Evans
I recognized the front immediately |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: Wayne Grove
I agree with Josh. I am pretty sure I have seen these pics in a magazine of some type. Also in case you want to bid on one and soak off the glued on photo the hidden 1935 Goudey cards would be as follows: Picture 4 - Card A would have on the front Hugh Critz, Dick Bartell, Mel Ott, Gus Mancuso. Picture 4 - Card B would have on the front Pie Traynor, Red Lucas, Tom Thevenow, Glenn Wright. Picture 4 - Card C would have on the front Charlie Berry, Bobby Burke, Red Kress, Dazzy Vance. Picture 4 - Card D would have on the front Red Ruffing, Pat Malone, Tony Lazzeri, Bill Dickey. |
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1938 Goudey Proof
Posted By: dan mckee
GAI WHERE ARE YOU?????????????????????? |
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Well this sucks. I Just won the 1938 GOUDEY PROOF BASEBALL GABBY HARTNETT GAI AUTHENTIC. So should I get in contact with GAI or the seller? Rob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Last edited by Bigb13; 12-13-2009 at 09:19 PM. |
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The seller. I emailed the current GAI and received this response:
"Hi The card was graded by Global Authentication and was one of the three labels used by the company. The company is no lnoger in the business of grading cards. If you need anything else let me know. Best, Mike Baker Global Authority" |
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Who is Archive and why is he using our name?
In his post with regard to the 1938 Goudey Archive attributes a post to us
that we never made. We take our posts very seriously, and we believe that attributing a post to someone else is a crime. Archive please issue am immediate apology. We are prepared to take further action, if necessary Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List |
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