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Ted Scott
this is good stuff. I have several of each color with the Piedmont 42 and will check them tonight. Craig W.-Look at your 42s and tell us what the color pattern is with cards from the 350/460 and 460 only. JR cfc1909 |
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SOVEREIGN 350 Kleinow & Smith backs
SCOT
We are 2000 miles apart, yet our thought processes are together. I was about to note that the 350 Series cards of Kleinow and Frank Smith also have "apple green" backs.....and, must have been printed along with the 56 - "350/460" subjects and the 6 super-prints. With these new SOVEREIGN back observations, we can conclude that there were the following series press runs...... 150 Series....151 Subjects....dark green backs 350 Series....140 Subjects (81 Major and 59 Minor Leaguers)....dark green backs 350 Series......64 Subjects (56 "350/460" Subjects, super-prints, Kleinow & F. Smith)....apple green backs 460 Series......52 Subjects (46 460-only cards and 6 super-prints)....light green ....Kleinow (NY).......F. Smith (Chi)................samples of early 350 press run Incidently Scot....this Kleinow is the worst card in my set and I've been searching for 2 years to upgrade it. TED Z |
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Scot R......
Great "wild-guess"....incidently, I meant to ask you how you were pretty certain about the backs on Kleinow and Smith ?
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Jim
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Best Regards, Craig
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CRAIG W......re..Piedmont 460/42
I have only seen 12 confirmed Piedmont 460 Factory 42 cards from the 460-only series.
Have you any more than 12 ? TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 05-26-2009 at 05:30 PM. |
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I don'y see any pattern with Piedmont 42 backs. I only have 10 to look at. I have Latham -dark blue and Young -dark blue. My lightest one is Jordan bat.
I am sure now about Sovereign with 2 different 350 backs. I don't think Piedmant 42s are like this. Me and Johnny Mc D talked about this sovereign back and were sure it was another back and thanks to Ted it is another of the Monsters mysteries solved. Ted-thanks for checking your Sovereign set and proving my theory correct. |
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Piedmont Factory 42's
Jim, Ted, Scot, et al-
I have 28 different T206 fronts with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs. I've looked thru them and I don't really see a pattern as with the Sovereigns. Also, the difference in colors is not as distinct to me as the Sovereigns are. Finally, from my small sample population, the normal darker Piedmont blues are more prevalent than the lighter blues. Here's my data with my judgement on the shade of blue: 350-460 Regular Prints that are normal darker Piedmont blue Baker Burch Cobb Bat Off Crawford Davis Doolan Downey Doyle Batting Elberfeld Jennings Both Hands Joss Konetchy Lake No Ball Magee McQuillan Overall Hands Face Level Snodgrass Willis Batting Young 350-460 Super Prints that are normal darker Piedmont blue Evers 460 Only that are normal darker Piedmont blue Kleinow Schaefer 350-460 Regular Prints that are lighter blue Griffith Johnson Stahl Willis Throwing 350-460 Super Prints that are lighter blue Chase Blue Portrait Cobb Red Portrait 460 Only that are lighter blue None Below are scans of Piedmont backs. What I'm calling darker Piedmont blue is the bottom left, and what I'm calling lighter blue is the bottom right. Ted- No, I do not have any additions to the twelve 460 Only, which I believe are: Bergen Chase Trophy Devore Kleinow Latham Merkle Murray Overall Hands at Waist Schaefer Seymour Portrait Smith Chi & Bos Wiltse Portrait with Cap And finally, I still believe there's gotta be a Tinker Bat Off with P42 back out there, somewhere Best Regards, Craig
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Ted,
I was 99.99% sure that Kleinow and Smith would be apple green. There is always room for error Craig, Jim, Thanks for the work on the Piedmont 42s. Scot |
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