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Crossovers to PSA
Posted By: Greg
I have a few nice GAI that I'm considering as candidates for crossovers to PSA. Any success getting PSA to keep the grades from GAI? Should I crack them and send them over? Seems risky but may be worth it...how do GAI cards typically do? |
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Posted By: Steve F
Personally, I'd crack 'em out and send in raw. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I've had little to no success on crossing GAI to PSA with the same grade. |
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Posted By: Greg
Is there an easy way to crack em? Any advice? I would hate to damage these cards. |
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Crossovers to PSA
Posted By: Peter
I sent in 25 cards to PSA for crossover recently and was very disapointed with the results. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Peter, not that I would give PSA credit for anything, but... were the SGC graded cards severely off centered? |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
Here is my history of crossover attempts to PSA: |
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Posted By: Peter
Fred C. - I have 4 of them lying handy (of these 2 of the SGC cards I would say are very close to 50/50 centering, highest value card (of these 4) is 50/50 top-to-bottom and it is exactly 57/43 left to right - just measured) and last of these is 50/50 top-to-bottom and 30/70 left to right. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Peter, |
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Posted By: Peter
Thank you for sharing your cross over results as well - it seems like PSA is again saying that SGC, GAI and BVG are inferior and not at all up to their standards. At least your high value cards were crossed over - congrats on that! |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I think both PSA and SGC have found it in their interests to be tough with grades. Certainly each wants their cards to trade at a premium. I have never bought an sgc 88 in hope that it will cross.If I had one I would crack it out first. |
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Posted By: Peter
Thanks for your opinion Jim. I feel that if SGC, BVG and PSA are the backbone of the card grading industry (and they are) that the grades given by these companies should be fairly close to each other. I can understand competetion between the grading companies, however, I believe that 75%-80% of the cards should crossover between these companies (not 50%). I do not like cracking cards out of cases - I would expect that a professional grading compny values my business and would treat me fairly regardless of whether or not cards I submit are in holders other than theirs. You would think they are happy to have the cards in their holders. I find it hard to believe that there is such a discrepancy in grades of the top 3 card grading companies. PSA should be crossing over more than 50% of SGC and BVG cards or else they are saying those companies grading standards are inferior to theirs and that is what it seems they are saying. I do not agree with this. |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
I have always assumed that grading companies have to be somewhat conservative when dealing with crossovers, where they are examining a card that is in a holder, and can't be as carefully inspected as when it is out of the holder, raw. If they decide to crack a card out, and then find on closer inspection that they can't meet the specified minimum grade, or even assign any grade at all because they discover that the card has been altered, they are stuck. It seems they would have to have some level of certainty, when looking at the card in the holder, that the card is unaltered and going to meet at least the target grade, before proceeding with the crossover. |
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Posted By: Peter
Those are fair and fine comments Eric. I think it is great that you are OK with the way PSA treated your cards and I am glad you shared your results with us. You had 2/13 cards meet the expectations you asked PSA to meet and paid for and you are OK with what they did. I wish I felt the way you did (I really do), however I do not. I just paid them $500 USD (including grading, insurance and shipping) to cross over 25 cards and 50% were rejected. I am not sure what you paid for your 13 cards to be crossed over (if you pay the same rates I do that would be $260 USD) for your 2 cross overs - that is $130 USD per cross over - seems very steep to me. |
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Posted By: leon
I am not, by any means, disparaging the way anyone collects....BUT, when you play the "I collect plastic" game then these things will happen. I do collect a tiny bit by number but only for resale. I enjoy cards more than plastic but to each their own. It's all fun....but don't be disappointed when one slabber doesn't agree with another. It's only an opinion by a human...best regards |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
Peter -- I am not real happy with the results I got from my PSA crossover attempts, or the total amount of money I essentially wasted on the failed ones. I just think crossovers are a difficult thing for the grading companies to deal with, for the reason I mentioned above -- they are taking a risk that a card that is cracked out will be found on closer inspection to have problems or anomalies (e.g. in the edges or surface) that were not detectable when in the holder. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
"...they can identify an altered card when still in a holder..." |
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Posted By: leon
"I was talking to the customer service guy at SGC a while ago, and he suggested that they have reached the point where they can identify an altered card when still in a holder, as easily as they can after it is cracked out." |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
Leon, I may not be remembering exactly what the SGC guy said. He did say that they can clearly see the usual tell-tale signs of trimming -- wavyness in the edges or whatever it is, when looking at a card in a holder. So they can reject certain cards immediately, without having to break them out. |
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Posted By: Peter Thomas
I just had these cards crossed from PSA to SGC along with 8 raw cards graded. |
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Posted By: Peter
HI Peter! Thanks for sharing those results. You got 100% crossover from PSA to SGC (very nice - I think 75-80% would be fine and reasonable) - So what is the deal crossing the other way - to PSA -it does not make sense - PSA is saying their standards are tougher and cards in their holders at an equivalent grade are superior. |
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Posted By: Peter Thomas
Peter - I don't cross much the other way - only T204's and E103's and have had similar results. I do think that in mid grades PSA is more concerned with centering and SGC sharpness of image and corners. So there can be discrepancies around these issues. I have had horrible results with the few GAI I have crossed to either PSA or SGC. |
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Posted By: George Dreher
Whatever you do, don't submit them in a GAI slab. |
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Posted By: George
Don't even bother, especially if you want an equivalent grade...ie...GAI 6 to PSA 6. Many GAI's I owned back in the day didnt cross over even when I asked for .5 or a 1.0 drop in grade. Also, I never send any of my T206 SGC 60's over to cross to PSA 5'S. It just rarely happens in my experience. PSA is a corners company, more than SGC, who takes everything in to account. Personally i feel PSA 5 cards are much better looking than my SGC 60's in the same set, but I do love the way the cards look in SGC holders. I have come to the point where I know/expect what grade they are going to give me most of the time. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Peter, |
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Posted By: Neal Kane
I have had very good success crossing my PSA cards over to SGC -- many received 1/2 grade bumps. Those cards were graded prior to the advent of the PSA half grade however. Only three out of 40 or so did not cross, and one of those went from a PSA 4 to an SGC 40 (which was the correct grade). |
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Posted By: joe brennan
Crossing any GAI card over is a crap shoot at best. If you have a very keen eye I would look at them very carefully. Alot of high grade GAI cards have come back altered. |
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Posted By: George
I agree, in regards to the holder and customer service/treatment they win. Hands down. |
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Posted By: Peter
Hi Fred C, - I know this the pre-war side so I was keeping my comments to card grading in general rather than any mention of post war cards that I know alot of members want no mention of on this pre war side. All of cards submitted were 52 Topps of which I have a master set. Cards in particular where I felt PSA was wrong in their grading were #373 Jim Turner SGC 7, #406 Nuxhall BVG 7.5 and several low numbers in SGC 7. |
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Crossovers to PSA
Posted By: Peter
I agree with not bothering trying to cross any GAI cards to PSA or SGC. I wanted this Rosen card in a PSA 7 holder. I have never cracked a card out of a case before so I thought I would cross it first to SGC and then send the SGC to PSA as I thought they would look at it more favourably. I sent this very nice GAI 7.5 Rosen to SGC and they sent it back to me saying they would not cross it over because of the top right corner. To me that is a joke honestly - If that corner was any nicer the card would be an 8.5 or 9 or better. A 7 is only NRMT (a slight flaw in a place or two). I know I am venting a bit, howver it is making me feel better. |
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Posted By: jay wolt
"I thought I would cross it first to SGC and then send the SGC to PSA" |
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Posted By: Scott Fandango
Do not even bother sending in a GAI to PSA for crossover, especially now since GAI's demise.....there is no way PSA would risk slabbing an altered card in a crossover.....i have tried and NEVER had a GAI crossover.... |
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Posted By: Peter
I have been very picky with cards to send in for grading and crossing over. The Rosen card has a low pop (great for my set registry) and relatively high value (depends what you consider relatively high - a PSA 7 is worth $400-$600 USD)so getting it in a PSA 7 holder is well worth while. However, as it is not in a PSA 7 holder it has been a timely and expensive exercise to date. If you read the thread above, I have also wasted $260 USD with cards that PSA would not crossover. I am not happy about wasting money. |
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Posted By: JDRUM
"I was talking to the customer service guy at SGC a while ago, and he suggested that they have reached the point where they can identify an altered card when still in a holder, as easily as they can after it is cracked out." |
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Posted By: Peter
I hate to think a public company would do it, however, I also wonder about PSA's motives. They have very little incentive to crossover cards, give out proper grades or bump up cards. They make way more off people cracking cards for resubmission. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
on the Rosen. Top right corner is slightly bat-eared and they hate that at SGC. |
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Posted By: Peter
It is only a 7 - not a 7.5, 8, 8.5, 9 or 9.5 - A NRMT card can and should have slight flaws - otherwise it would be mint |
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Posted By: Peter
It is only a 7 - not a 7.5, 8, 8.5, 9 or 9.5 - A NRMT card can and should have slight flaws - otherwise it would be mint |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
A bat ear isn't considered a flaw that drops grades, but rather suggests possible trimming. It's almost impossible to create a flared cut on an industrial cutter/trimmer/guillotine, however a hand held blade or scissors run against a straight edge will often flare out at the end of a cut. |
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Posted By: Scot
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Posted By: Peter
Thanks for your comments - I would have no problem if SGC said possible trimming, probable trimming, possible tampering or probable tampering - alterations. They did not say this - they said they could not cross it over to a minimum grade of 7 - the card is fine - they will not crossover the card to at least an SGC 7 because of the corner. |
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Posted By: Peter
I want to thank people for their comments and data. I did get a little side tracked and started venting on SGC for their failure to crossover the Rosen card. I wish to state that I have more problems with PSA than SGC. I believe PSA consider themselves superior to SGC and BVG and are of the opinion that cards in their holders are superior with an equivalent grade. I would welcome more data on crossovers, the early evidence is SGC crosses over way more PSA's to an equal or higher grade and PSA crosses far less SGC's to an equivalent or higher grade. |
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Posted By: Steve
Crossover is a waste of time and money IMO. |
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Posted By: Scott Mt. Joy
My crossover results- |
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