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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Just tossing that out there 'cause you're itching for a fight, big guy!!!! |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
They can argue all they want....I'm more interested in Jack Dunn's story....he's another unheralded T206 Subject. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Steve Dawson
Personally, I think of the T206 Dunn as a "diagonal" card (his body is coming out of the bottom-right corner after all) |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: RayBShotz
Great stuff as always Ted. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Just to add a bit... |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
So he's a pitcher making an over the shoulder catch a la Willie Mays then? You certainly wouldn't advocate catching a pop up with your left hand turned like that, it's a surefire way to get hit in the face. Not arguing, just wondering. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: john/z28jd
There is no certain way to know if its a horizontal or not unless you find the corresponding picture it was drawn from that either proves or disproves it. Most people were taught that it wasnt one of the horizontal poses by the t206s gods who wrote the bible but we've proven them wrong before. The way his hands are turned and since he wasnt a catcher,I changed my original thinking on it a couple years ago that it was a horizontal but I would no way argue with someone who thought it wasnt. If someone finds this picture of Dunn I'd hope they would share it with the rest of the class |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: barrysloate
It can't be a horizontal card because if you imagine his body from the waist down, where would his legs be? Either he's standing and reaching for a pop up, or he's completely prone and lunging through the air. I say that can't be a horizontal pose. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: RayB
Here's an interesting Dunn/Babe Ruth tidbit: |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for that interesting "tidbit"....this is why I posted this thread. Jack Dunn has a story that has not fully been told. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Aaron Patton
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: David R
Seems horizontal to me unless he's making an over-the-shoulder Willie Mays catch. I agree that without the original picture it's impossible to tell and I also agree that the collecting Gods have no better ability to make this call than any of us unless they had the original picture or some other evidence that we don't. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Clint
I think it's very similar to this picture but from the side of course. Remember back then catching with two hands was a must no matter how they were fielding. My vote not horizontal. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ed Ivey
His facial expression looks too nonchalant to be either a diving horizontal or a Willie Mays grab. Still, I can't fathom catching an oncoming fly ball with hands at that angle. I'm so confused. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
It's not the catching with two hands I find weird, it's the fact that the only place you see people catching pop ups like that is at a t-ball game. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Let's resolve this ridiculous debate once and for all....here are the six HORIZONTAL cards in the T206 set. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
If you say so. It's an odd pose though. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Rob D.
Many times this T206 card of Jack Dunn is incorrectly advertised as a Horizontal T206......not so, the only Horizontal cards in the T206 set are in the 150 Series. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I'm not bothered by the "horizontal/vertical" debate regarding this Dunn card; because, I don't think that |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
"If you say so. It's an odd pose though." |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
My "If you say so." was in reference to you asking to get back to the Dunn biographical aspect of the thread. Not in any way trying to infer you didn't know what you were talking about Ted. That being said, that's not how a professional baseball player would catch a pop up, and that is why it strikes me as an odd pose. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Jeff S.
I don't think it's a horizontal pose, but it does line up correctly if you turn it 90-degrees clockwise. The other 6 horizontal cards all have the name/team on the left side. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Matt
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Anonymous
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Boy, you were right with this one...... |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
"he is bending over backwards to catch a ball falling perpendicular to the ground" |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: pas
If he was trying to catch a pop up wouldn't his glove be turned the other way? |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Brian
<<"he is bending over backwards to catch a ball falling perpendicular to the ground" |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Brian
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: pas
Try imitating his pose, with the glove FACING you as on the card, and tell me what you think you could catch that way? |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Perhaps my imagination is getting carried away here....My thinking is that Jack Dunn is backing off the |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Anthony S.
That Spike Shannon card has always been one of my favorite poses in the set. Very primitive drawing. Gigantic melon. He worked as a Bob's Big Boy sign in the off-season to help make ends meet. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Seems to me that Tedasaurus is taking on challengers 'vertically', head on... instead of giving up on the argument, lying down, and taking it 'horizontally'. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: samuel
edit: shouldn't have contributed to the horizontal/vertical debate. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
Jack Dunn played plenty of games in the field so the pose is not as strange as I first thought. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: pas
Indeed. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
Mr. Wakefield...graded or ungraded, soaked or unsoaked, that there was well done! |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: ROBERT ADAMS JR
Actually Dunn was more then a pitcher . His bio states he pitched in 142 games but played 143 at 3rd , 98 at s.s. , 59 outfield and 35 at 2nd , so you could picture him almost anywhere . |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: ROBERT ADAMS JR
Just noticed similar post a few up . Sorry ! |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You guys can continue this debate till this thread goes into triple digit posts. However, I have not |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Joann
I think Steve D nailed it in the fourth post of this thread. He is coming diagonally out of the corner. This, to me, makes it essentially a vertical pose. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: pas
IF it is meant to be viewed vertically, why is the letter on the sleeve turned sideways? |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: pas
Note how viewed sideways his face is perfectly in alignment with the orientation of the card. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Joe Drouillard
Hello Ted, |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Troy Kirk
I am with those that voted for tilted. No fielder in their right mind would lean backwards and use a basket catch to catch a popup unless he wanted to catch the ball with his head. Here are the real possibilities: |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Brian
I agree Troy. Thanks |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: paulstratton
What about Joe's 350 series? It looks real to me. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: ali_lapoint
great thread. |
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T206 JACK DUNN....Babe Ruth's 1st manager
Posted By: Anonymous
Now that I look again, maybe the B would go sideways if he raised his arms 90 degrees. |
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