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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Scott Levy
As a rare back enthusiast and someone contemplating the BL 460 PSA 6 lot I'm caught in a quandry and would love some others opinions. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: peter ullman
It looks like it was cut to fit in an american beauty pack to me! It's definitely thin...whether born that way or plastied...I'm not sure. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: John
Scott; |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barry arnold
Scott, |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Jay
Jim Crandell, calling Jim Crandell. Please report to this thread. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
"Also, what is the latest about their re-exam? Did they confirm again the legitimacy or simply say what we said before is what goes?" |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
A difficult back to locate... and it looks real. Real and trimmed. The card doesn't look wide enough to me either, and then, when I look at the corners while thinking the sides have been trimmed it makes me think the top and bottom got a shave, too. It must have been a big card at one time. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Rob
i'd resubmit the card for a 1/2 grade bump! |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Dan Koteles
exposing things that may not be true and it were just the way it was cut...isthis fair to a consignor who has done nothing wrong and wants his just due for parting with his/her treasure ? |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Sean BH
I assume the consignor knows it's trimmed (otherwise he would have sold it elsewhere). |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Matt
I think it speaks volumes that REA put that in the item description. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
i was on the phone with a friend last night, who intends to bid on said card (i already have a BL 460, so i have no desire to bid). he said if he wins it, he intends to have it re-evaluated again, and if absolutely deemed "trimmed" (which he, like many, believes it is), he WANTS it taken out of the "6" holder and properly slabbed as "authentic". |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Sean BH
It's still a nice looking card for "possibly being trimmed" and would look great in a SGC holder. If your friend wins it that would be pretty honorable to have it regraded and take the possible authentic. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barrysloate
Michael- that's interesting, because the cost of a BL460 in PSA 6, versus the same card graded Authentic, is thousands of dollars. I greatly respect the person willing to do this, but that's a big financial hit for almost anyone. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Sean BH
I'm sure a few people can look past the card and see the PSA 6 flashing out and forget about it being trimmed. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Matt
Michael - is your friend willing to pay '6' money for it? |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
my friend, is on this board...i'll let him chime-in if he decides to. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barrysloate
The difference between a bona fide 6 and an Auth is about as wide as the grand canyon. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
true barry, but that is apples & oranges... |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barrysloate
You're correct..the gap narrows with a rarity. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
"exposing things that may not be true and it were just the way it was cut...isthis fair to a consignor who has done nothing wrong and wants his just due for parting with his/her treasure ? |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Dan Koteles
I didnt know that was in the description. WIth that being said my earlier post is w/o example. Sorry. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: dan mckee
I disagree with my very good friend Robbie Lifson on this one. I have owned a half dozen BL 460s and all were thin. My current one in my set is thin as well. I could be wrong, well very doubtful, but I think all BL 460s are thin. Then again, maybe just the 10 to 12 I have owned have all been trimmed. Dan. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: peter ullman
interesting Dan...I've never owned one so I wouldn't know. Are BL 350's typically thinner? I can't imagine they are. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: dan mckee
No Peter, I only saw this in the BL 460s. I discussed this with Robbie but he trumped me hence his description. Robbie is as knowledgable as anyone in the hobby and I respect him beyond recognition but I just happen to disagree with him on this one. I know, I am defending a PSA graded card. But for me, I try to look at it as if it isn't graded and I truly think it is good. I will be bidding on it as well. Dan. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Having read Dan McKee's posts, I have to retract what I posted above. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
Dan Mckee- very interesting observation...as others said, i really value your opinion, you just might be onto something... |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: JimB
I would love to see scans of as many BL 460s as are out there. Thanks to those who post 'em. Dan, very interesting point. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Trae R.
Jim, here are the scans I've collected over the years. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: JimB
Thanks Trae. Other than the obviously trimmed examples, they do not look particularly thin to me. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: peter ullman
Nice Trae...those borders look pretty standard to me. So much for the american beauty/bl460 theory. Said, entombed card definitely is short...and skinny...but I'm still unsure if card is trimmed?! |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barrysloate
Trae- you didn't save a copy of the Vic Willis I sold last year? That one counts too. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: dan mckee
Very interesting scans guys! Some look thin and some don't to me! Very neat stuff here. Heck, one thing I can guarantee, it won't be the first or the last time that I was wrong! Take care Dan. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
Trae- thanks for saving me time from scanning...(the Stahl is mine)... |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
BROAD LEAF 460........29 confirmed of a possible 62 Subjects (1/4/08) |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: BRIANKW
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: BRIANKW
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: barrysloate
Sure Brian- let's start with "grammar" |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: BRIANKW
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: peter ullman
you may want to check for redundancy as well?!(insert smiley face here! |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Trae R.
Barry, I missed that one! |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: MVSNYC
Trae- no sweat...that's actually a nice big scan of my card...thanks. |
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REA BL 460 Discussion
Posted By: Don E.
In reply to Ted Z's post. Here's a BL460 Rucker (throwing) on ebay. |
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