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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Brian
I had a question about M101-4s. Do they always carry an advertisement on the back, or were some of them printed with blank banks? Any idea which is more common? Thanks for the help! |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: jay behrens
A use of the search function should give you the ansers you are looking for as this topic has been covered a few times. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Cat
Some come with blank backs. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Jason
Most typically the 1915s come with only blank backs. the 1916s come either or. There is no way to prove when a blank back was actually produced condsidering the numbers are the same. I just wanted to help unlike others around here that cannot take 10 seconds to type a response. I won't make you search for it. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Brian
Jason, thanks. My speed-reading skills are not what they used to be, and fortunately, I did not have to wait too long for your response! Thanks again. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
Brian, |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Todd Schultz
Both m101-4 an m101-5 date to 1916. They are mostly distinguishable by their numbers, although 30 players share the same number. Of these, a handful or so can be distinguished by team or position changes. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Jason
Timmy- |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Cat
Research in the last year indicates that the m101-5s and m101-4s were both printed in 1916. The m101-5s are still believed to be the earlier print cycle. Also, I believe there is some evidence that the blank back m101-5 was the earliest of all print cycles. The information on these cards seems to be a bit fluid so I am not sure the sands have stopped shifting. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: jay behrens
For someone not wanting to come across the wrong way, you are doing a good job so far. I don't think anyone here refers Tim as Timmy. That's you what you would call a child named TIm. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
"I do have my facts striaght by the way." |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Jason
I disagree. Some WERE produced in 1915. It was more than likely late 1915 but some were printed then. We can debate this on and on but there is no way to prove either side. In the end, does it really matter? |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Brian
Thanks to everyone for the help. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Todd Schultz
NONE were produced in 1915, zip, nada, nil. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Todd Schultz
There's a link to the Old Cardboard website on the main page of this forum that provides valuable information when we're looking for stuff about cards. Here's a link to their gallery of m101-4 and m101-5 backs (although I disagree a little with their order of scarcity): |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: jay behrens
Jason, the change from 1915 to 1916 didn't just happen because SCD felt like changing the date. A lot of detailed research went into proving it. Now, how about providing some detailed research to back up your claim. I enjoy shooting my mouth off here, but I will never pass along bad information, especially when I can double check the info with the search function before posting. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Paul
Bob Lemke has recently written an article showing that there were three print runs, not two. So the sets could be labelled M101-5A, M101-5B, and M101-4. However, the first two print runs (5A and 5B) are so similar that he is leaving them under a single designation, M101-5. The first print run (5A) includes cards of Bobby Wallace and Beals Becker, who are not in the second or third print runs. I believe Bob found a few more changes between the two print runs, but not nearly as many differences as between M101-5 and M101-4. If these differences had been noticed when the ACC was written, this group of sets probably would have been give three separate designations. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Todd Schultz
Paul, there were likely four print runs--2 in m101-4 as well. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Paul
Todd, |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Jason
I did not get my information from the standard. I got it from resources that I thought were experts on these issues. I still do not believe these were all printed in 1916 only. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: fkw
Sorry, Your resources/experts had old info. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Zach Rice
Yes, use the search function, you will see why both of these sets are now dated to 1916 not 1915 and 1916. And who cares you ask ? I imagine most anyone who owns a card from this set would like to know what year it was made. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Anonymous
I still believe there was a print run in 1915. I just don't think it is that important either way. Someone who dwells on this issue needs to find something more to do with their time. At the end of the day.....is it really that big a deal when the first run was printed? |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Zach Rice
Here is a thread that may intrest you-http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1029216286/M101+Sporting+News+Issues+-+New+Twist |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Jason
Zach- |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: Todd Schultz
never mind--what's the point? |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: jay behrens
edited for being way too harsh on someone so clueless. |
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Question about 1916 M101-4 issue
Posted By: steve f
Reckon Anger Management does work then. |
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