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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Alan Zimmerman
there is a reason that grading companies won't touch these anymore. caveat emptor on these. definitely not making a decision on the realness of these cards or the seller, but I am just saying that you need to be REAL careful with these. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul Griggs
I emailed the seller very politely to give him my opinion, but no response yet. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: MW
100% Fake. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: fkw
B&W Fro-Joys are the toughest to authenticate. Stay away from ungraded examples. 98% are reprints. Frank |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: scott ingold
This seller is as sleazy as they get as well. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: t206King
Fake |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: leon
fake....I have had some good experience with these....as a lot of other board members have too.. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Jeff
I kinda figured that the odds were very high that these are fake. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Mike Campbell
First off, the ebay seller isn't real familiar with this set. He has card #4 listed is Ruth us a crack fielder. When card# 6 should be the crack fielder card. Possible just an error, but just another landmine to avoid when buying this set. I own cards 2 and 6 in the set, (They are legit) I would avoid the ones you are watching. There is something just not right when looking at them on here. Not sure what it is. They just don't look right. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
Collectors should always be wary about the Fro Joys. The reprints come in a variety of styles. Some are obviously bad from a scan, others are better done. The average collector should purchase them from someone like MastroNet or Robert Edward Auctions, as they will be able to identify the real ones. Or from a fellow collector you know and trust, so that they can be returned if they turn out to be reprints. The real ones can be identified, but few eBay bidders or sellers know how. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul
Wow, I own a set of these reprints too. I didn't know they were so darn valuable! |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: jay behrens
There are real Fro-Joys out there and this seller seems to be willing to stand behind what they are selling. I wouldn't buy a Fro-Joy unless I could see it in person before handing over any money. And given all the fakes out there, I wouldn't be spending a $1k on these cards, even if it is a complete set. Getting your moeny back out of them is going to be really tough. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Julie Vognar
give specifics about how to recognize fakes? (I'd hate to waste a bid in Mastro or REA on a Fro-Joy!) |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul
I cant seem to upload any photos. If I can get your email address, I'll send you some info. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
MastroNet and REA are likely to be offering the real cards. When these auction houses offer them, the cards tend to sell for good money. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul Griggs
The seller is lying in his ad. I did email one of the bidders that the cards were reprints. I have not repeatedly email the seller "threatening" him, & he certainly did not ask me about how to authenticate Fro Joys. What a joke. Here's a quote from his ad: |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Joann
David, |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
The original Fro Joys have a dot pattern in Ruth's picture and the white borders have no dots. Many to most reprints have the same pattern. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: cmoking
I had assumed that since SGC and PSA won't grade these, that they can't tell with confidence between the real thing and a fake. Yet some of the posts here seem to imply there is a way to tell the difference. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
The real ones can be identified. I don't know why PSA and SGC don't grade them, perhaps they will in the future. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul Griggs
The strongest magnification the grading companies use when authenticating cards is ony 10x. That's ok for looking at the printing dots, but not good enough to properly determine a printing technique such as photo engraving. The real Fro Joy's are photo engraved. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
The essential problem for collectors is not that the original Fro Joys were made is some unusual manner, but that the average collector has never seen one in person and they are rarely offered for sale online. If a collector had a stash of 20 original it would be easy to identify real ones and you'd simply compre the questioned card to your cards. Duly note that there are 1928 Gene Tunney (boxing) Fro Joy cards that I do not beleive were reprinted in the same manner, so it is possible for a collector to purchase a real Fro Joy card, both for collecting and comparison purposes. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Joann
So the grading co's used to grade these, but stopped? Or is this recent? I don't know anything about serial numbers, etc, in terms of figuring out when something was graded - can you tell by the SN's? |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Paul Griggs
I believe Beckett (BVG) currently grades Fro Joy's, but SGC, PSA, & GAI does not at this time. I cant help you with the serial numbers, but I'm sure others here can. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Joann
I'm not really into going for Fro-Joy's myself, although to me a Babe Ruth card would be the all-time coup of acquiring vintage cards. I'm more wondering based on David's discussion a few posts back about the difficulty of being able to id fakes - that the best way is via direct comparison and that is very difficult because it's so hard to come by a real one to use as a base. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: leon
Not too long ago a dealer friend of mine bought a 1930's album with some fake Fro-Joys in it. They were so good that I had to send them to David R. to see. I thought they were fake but wasn't positive and I have handled quite a few 1920's type caramel cards. David confirmed my suspicion and my friend dealer (who mainly deals in a little bit newer stuff) got back his fake Fro-Joys. These that were mentioned in this thread, that are/were (don't know if the auction ended) on ebay are identical to the fake ones. The lack of clarity (grainy look) to the pictures gives it away from the scans. I am 99.9% sure the ones on ebay are fake.....for that reason. When you hold the cards in your hand they feel a little rough compared to 80 year old paper, which is smooth to the touch. It wasn't easy to tell though and I can see how many experienced dealers can mistake them for real...such as this auction on ebay. regards |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: davidcycleback
I can tell you that said higher quality reprints had obviously handcut borders not unlike the set currently on eBay. Also, the rectangle surrounding the text on the back had a couple of breaks, while the lines on the originals are solid. These are qualities that would could be seen in an online picture. |
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Babe Ruth 1928 Fro Joy Complete Set Real Or Fake??
Posted By: Jeff
Well the ones he had up didn't sell as there was two bid retractions. |
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