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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: leon
Hey Folks, |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: david
what ever happend to the very large lot of rebacked kalamazoo bats that were auctions off a couple of years ago. i believe most collectors will avoid restored cards unless it is a truly unique example |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Jay Miller
David---The large lot of restored K-Bats was purchased by a West Coast collector who still has them. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: leon
I agree that re-backing would be ok but only in extreme scarcity cases.....maybe like this Holmes-to-Homes I just picked up.....with the help of a collector friend that knows I collect backs I picked this one up recently...only the 2nd one I have seen in person.......regards all..... |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Harry
I collect many different things and baseball cards (and maybe coins) is the only collectible that I can think of off the top of my head where restoration is so controversial. It is acceptible in antique cars, furniture, photographs, jewlery, watches, advertising signs, etc. Heck, even within the sports memorablia hobby, restoration is acceptible in jerseys, display pieces, bats, books, etc. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: runscott
Restoration is controversial and has a big effect on prices for all paper items, including comics, rare books and other paper documents. While restoration is more acceptable for rare books than the other items, it has a major effect on value. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Albie O'Hanian
I have bought restored cards (unknowingly) and sent cards away to be restored. I like the idea as long as everybody is up front about the situation. BMW ran an auction where there was full disclosure about the cards and they got a good price. I have always thought that removing items (creases, pen marks) from cards is less offensive than building up cards. Depending on the price, I would probably rather have a restored Mickey Mantle rookie than a card that did not present well at all. There should be a place in the hobby for restoration but there are too many people who do not disclose items and use deceptive "restoration" to their own advantage. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Julie
I only have 2, and they are from 1975, so they don't need restoring, but it seems to me, many of them do need it--unless all you want to do is ogle the cover. When you read an ancient comic book, eventually it needs restoring--and I'm glad to say, comic books, routinely restored, have the restoration details attached to them, and, no matter how rare, cost LESS restored than in the original. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Hankron
For large display items, like movie posters and even advertising signs, the desire for restoration is understandable. If you have a well kept home, it's understandable that you would want that giant movie poster in your livingroom to not look like charred remains from a sunken pirate ship. Also, for many antique prints restoration is important to preserve the print. Left unchecked, the thin paper will often be destroyed by time. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: petecld
I don't have any problem with restoration as long as it is disclosed when the piece is sold. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: runscott
All three examples you gave are displayed and viewed by millions. Also, each is unique - I don't think the importance of "uniqueness" can be over-stated. If there was only one t206 Wagner, in 'poor' condition, and it was twenty times bigger than an actual t206 card and hanging on the wall at the National Museum, viewers would be screaming for restoration. Or, if there was only one t206 Wagner, and it was 3-dimensional, hundreds of feet tall and planted in the river in front of New York City (in poor condition), we would want it "shined up" and the cracks filled (what an image for the immigrants! Also, probably more appropriate than a French statue). Now, I have to disagree on the Sistine Chapel thing - I liked it dirty and original, but I also have an aversion to these partially sandblasted 500-yr old cathedrals that are half-gray, half-tan. And I think a massive painting of the t206 Wagner image on the roof of a cathedral, though distasteful to many, would look okay in 'poor' condition as opposed to 'near mint'. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: jay behrens
I went thru the Vatican in 1986. Half the cieling of the Sistine Chapel had been restored, a portion covered that they were restoring and about 1/3 still visable and unresotred. Seeing the progression was amazing, and I cannot imagine anyone seeing this would want to keep the chapel unrestored. The restoration work is simply incredible. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: runscott
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Tom Lawrie
The problems with restoration in our hobby are so significant that I think restoration has no place except in a few isolated instances. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Julie
There was once a Manchurian emperor of China (1735-1795), who collected art all the way back to the stone age, all the up to his own. We owe many. many Chinese artfacts to his collecting. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: leon
uh............forget I asked .....best regards |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: runscott
I heard a similar story though: there was a small town in Pennsylvania that had no need for a police force, only really old people so there wasn't much civil strife. The Postmaster basically ran the town, and coincidentally was a huge collector of baseball cards. As he grew older and more powerful he demanded tribute from the townfolk, in the form of baseball cards. He always stamped his seal on the back of each one: "Toy Town Post Office". |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: TBob
To enhance the value of the card and open the door to $$$$$ when the restoration is not disclosed down the line. Probably less than 1% of all restored cards floating around are owned by collectors who would, if the cards were sold, reveal their provenance. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Julie
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: runscott
In fact, I believe the "toy town post office game" has been around for a long time. I found a reference to a guy recalling how as a child he had won one of the games at a movie matinee, so these games were still being produced in the '30s. I have also seen them in auctions, so you could try to win one and add those "rare" toy town post office stamps to ALL of your cards! |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Brian C Daniels
Who among us has a well kept home??? |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Julie
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: Julie
making Statue-of-Honus, and what have you. Fortunately, I can't. I'm lucky to be able to send a Jackie Robinson in an e-mail. |
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Restored cards.....your thoughts
Posted By: warshawlaw
To me,it is a poor condition card. |
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