Hey, pennant guys

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Probably late 1940s on the 3/4 Reds with Starburst. Cool pennant, but it typically sells for around $60-$65. The '63 Reds Picture Pennant is likely worth a bit less, given the staining throughout.

He would do pretty well to get $100 for the pair.

Thanks, Mark. I knew you'd come through! Your opinions pretty much mirror what I was thinking. If I had the picture pennant I'd probably try a little cleaning, because....you know....that's what I do.

edit: does the "starburst" ever have tassels?

[perezfan]

I can't recall ever seeing one with tassels. But slight chance I could be wrong. As soon as I definitively say that it never had tassels, somebody will post one here!

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I see we blew right past 3 million views. There are cat videos that don’t have that many!

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It's not easy keeping up with Bocca but all I can do is try. The pink one is new. The gold and orange underneath are presumably older. The felt is softer and the detail is better. The pink is a bit stiffer (not terrible) and the graphics are not as crisp. These tips are good...piled together, they took on a blunt look. There are others on orange felt that are very stiff and the graphics are like a black blob. I kind of like these pennants - they're a unique design with the cheering people, the bridge and the steamer ship. I think Bocca has like eight variations!

[bocca001]

When the graphics are bad, it makes me think of Mays. Left-handed Mays being worshiped by Lilliputians.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bocca001

When the graphics are bad, it makes me think of Mays. Left-handed Mays being worshiped by Lilliputians.

Mays?

[bocca001]

I was being 23% serious.

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Question for Kyle or anyone else with an informed opinion: how many pennants could be produced from a single screen before the screen wore out? I’m aware multi colored pennants used separate screens for each color (right?) but my same question applies. Also, were there improvements in screens over the years that would allow them to last longer?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Question for Kyle or anyone else with an informed opinion: how many pennants could be produced from a single screen before the screen wore out? I’m aware multi colored pennants used separate screens for each color (right?) but my same question applies. Also, were there improvements in screens over the years that would allow them to last longer?

Great questions right there... I have often wondered the same!

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Great questions right there... I have often wondered the same!

“Enquiring Minds Want to Know”

[perezfan]

Timely, Rob....

I just heard yesterday, that Octo-Mom's kids are all grown up now.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Question for Kyle or anyone else with an informed opinion: how many pennants could be produced from a single screen before the screen wore out? I’m aware multi colored pennants used separate screens for each color (right?) but my same question applies. Also, were there improvements in screens over the years that would allow them to last longer?

They really shouldn't wear out. A well made screen/stencil can last forever. You can get hundreds of runs out of one, no problem.

I think they made and re-made stencils from time to time for a variety of reasons. The most common is to re-purpose the screen for another project. That's called "reclaiming the screen." I have to do this all the time because I only own a half dozen or so screens.

Even for a commercial screen printer, you have to do this occasionally. For example, you might print a few hundred Giants pennants in the spring on a few screens ... then, come summer, you might reclaim them and create a 49ers stencil on the same screens. 2-3 years later, when your supply of Giants pennants needs replenishing, you might reclaim them again and re-burn the original Giants stencils on them.

Yes, one pennant might require multiple screens--one for each color. You might also need multiple screen printing presses if you were trying to make a high volume of pennants in short order, e.g., league championship pennant.

Afterwards, you'd reclaim all these screens and use them for other projects.

Every screen can differ ever so slightly from its clones. Which may account for the differences seen in your Giants pennants, which I believe were made by ... ADFLAG?

Honestly, other variables make more sense. Another variable is the substrate used. Woven cloths are easier to print on than felt. Even with felt, the composition varied considerably throughout the 20th century, and generally, the smoother ones printed better than the more coarse ones.

Finally, time. Time is another variable. Simply put: some makers cared about quality more than others. Some of those Giants pennants look like they could have used a bit more ink. If they were in a hurry to crank out 1,000 pennants by lunch, they might have run the squeegee only 2-3 times (when 4-6 was needed). That's clearly what happened there because orange ink on black felt is a really tough combo for a screen printer.

In short, lots of variables come into play when screening pennants. The mesh count of the screens used. Temperature/humidity. Presence of lead in your ink.

It's a fun hobby for me ... but it can be frustrating as hell when things don't turn out like you expect.