O/T 2026 HOF Contemporary Ballot

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's more evidence than is being used to keep out other players, who never failed any test of any kind. If this test belonged to Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens (the evidence against which is almost entirely the testimony of a convicted perjurer), or Gary Sheffield, it would be used as proof to keep them out. 'It's not enough proof for Ortiz but almost no proof for anyone else is enough' is a rather ridiculous standard that the Hall and the media has adopted. I don't much care what standard is drawn - just that it is applied across the board instead of to carve out media favorites as a separate class.

Andy Pettitte also testified that Clemens told him about being injected with HGH by his trainer, Brian McNamee. While Clemens denied that he ever told Pettitte that, it is more evidence from a more reliable source than McNamee.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Andy Pettitte also testified that Clemens told him about being injected with HGH by his trainer, Brian McNamee. While Clemens denied that he ever told Pettitte that, it is more evidence from a more reliable source than McNamee.

During his cross-examination in the 2012 Roger Clemens federal perjury trial, former teammate Andy Pettitte conceded that there was a "50-50" chance he might have misunderstood a key conversation in which he claimed Clemens admitted to using human growth hormone (HGH). This admission was a major point for the defense and significantly weakened the prosecution's case.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

During his cross-examination in the 2012 Roger Clemens federal perjury trial, former teammate Andy Pettitte conceded that there was a "50-50" chance he might have misunderstood a key conversation in which he claimed Clemens admitted to using human growth hormone (HGH). This admission was a major point for the defense and significantly weakened the prosecution's case.

This. Pettite’s waffling leaves the only evidence being the testimony of a convicted perjurer. I think Clemens did do it, but the evidence is much greater for Ortiz, who people really want to give a pass. While a test could be wrong, the odds are not high it is, and that it wasn’t supposed to be public doesn’t make much sense. It’s okay for Ortiz because we weren’t supposed to find out he flunked is a poor rationale for why it’s okay for him but not anyone else, even if the evidence is much less for those others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Papi was better at 40 than he was at 25. Is it proof of anything? No. But.

[rhettyeakley]

Not weighing in in the steroid guys (Bonds, Clemens and Sheffield)

Of the rest Jeff Kent is the MOST deserving of the bunch and Fernando is the least.

My voting (if I were on the committee)…

Kent
Murphy
Mattingly (questionable)
(In that order)

The rest aren’t HOFers.