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View Poll Results: Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth Raw? | |||
Yes | 112 | 49.34% | |
No | 73 | 32.16% | |
Maybe | 42 | 18.50% | |
Voters: 227. You may not vote on this poll |
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Not to throw in a variable but if I'm at a large show and there's a TPG onsite, I'd be more inclined to make a deal dependent on the review for authenticity.
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Absolutely and if I wasn't comfortable doing so I would stop collecting. I understand a new collector needing some help. A raw card has no more of a chance being altered than a slabbed card. In the real world it probably has a way less chance of being altered as they are altered to get into slabs.
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Massive amounts of trimmed cards in PSA/SGC/etc. slabs have been outed as trimmed the last few years. Trimming did not stop with the advent of graders who seem unable or unwilling to detect a halfway decent trim job.
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I think far far more have been trimmed post TPG. 30 plus years and counting, and God only knows how many of these scumbags (I mean leading hobby figures) are still out there every day.
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The greater the profit and the easier the profit is made, the more fraud there will be. I see no reason to think fraud is not an all time high in the hobby the last few years with how easy it is to do and how immensely high the returns are. We are probably at many, many multiples of 1990 fraud levels in terms of real dollars, inflation adjusted dollars, and quantity of incidents but I don’t have data to prove that.
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I would have no hesitation to buy it without TPG assurances under the scenario described. I would not make the purchase, because nowadays I would not be able to afford it, even at a very reasonable price.
Brian (I bought my 2 piece 1933 Goudey Ruth in a group lot back in the day, and I valued its share of the purchase cost at the lowest possible 3 digit number) |
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Generally, no. Although a graded card can be undetected altered, at least its in a slab and can easily be sold if you might be suspicious. But a raw, if it comes back un-slabable, what are you going to do now ?
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Also... Why are people putting so much stock in TPGs? Do they not pay attention, or are they so insecure that they need someone else to tell them what their own eyes should easily perceive? Take this 1956 Jackie Card with its mangled top border and multiple creases. Does anyone really think this card is a "5.5"? I prefer to trust my own judgement... https://www.ebay.com/itm/28583419175...Bk9SR7LIgc3lYw
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I answered yes based on the conditions of the sale. And as was stated a few posts above, I think most of us think we are great at catching alterations but I would wager (in honor of snowman) that most who think they can spot alterations would not do well on a grading test.
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Only if I was drunk, drugged and blindfolded.
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1933 Goudeys
I'm selling my collection of the 239 card set.I put it together
in the early 90s.Then I got very busy at work,and personal problems. So,I put it away until now.Grading was not in the picture? We looped them,held them,and inspected them. |
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I don’t collect Goudey; however, tweak the original question slightly and I’d feel comfortable buying raw. A T206 Matty, Cobb, or WaJo? Yes, I’d buy it ungraded in person.
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"We stand by the grade"
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Yup. That guarantee doesn't mean much when they control the reviews.
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So as of now, its 52 percent yes, 28 percent no, and 18 percent maybe.
When I posed this topic to my circle of 10 friends, it was 80 percent No and 20 percent yes. The yeses mostly gave answers like above. The Nos said three things: 1. Concern over why a dealer would sell a 5k plus card raw. 2. No reason to buy. There are plenty of graded ones out there already. 3. Basically, not worth the risk. FYI, I am in the Yes camp. I would have qualms purchasing the card in this scenario. |
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Lawyers don't represent themselves despite their grasp of law. It's because you might be seeing what you want to see. |
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I would definitely buy a raw Goudey Ruth as I've handled them over the years. I bought a collection a few years back that had a Goudey and two Sport Kings Ruth cards in it along with a bunch of other Goudeys.
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Sure.
Interesting this would come up. I bought a lot of raw Diamond Stars off another group and when they came, they were all considerably short/thin compared to the rest of my set. I am aware of the variation in National Chicle, but was uncomfortable with them. The seller was good with the refund. He sold them to someone else and they all graded (none were of any notable value) and he sent me a note that they weren't trimmed. I am very sure they were not only because of the smallness but the borders seemed a bit wavy to me. It worked out ok for both of us as I would have been uncomfortable with them in my set (which I intend to keep the commons raw). |
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For what a 1933 Goudey Ruth costs, I would not buy one raw. Sure, it could be ok. But chances are high that there is a reason why a card of that value is not in a holder.
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I would clarify if it's altered or not real, will he give a refund? if he says yes, then of course I would buy it. If he says no, then I wouldn't buy it. Otherwise, I voted yes... .
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I would not buy raw at those potential price points.
I am not skilled enough to judge what looks at different levels of the grading and would be comfortable it was a real card but unsure as I value as a result
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I have more than enough trust in myself to buy a raw card.
I would pay a fair raw price if I was in person and can handle the card. If it's online, I would possibly lower an offer for risk of trimming or coloring dependent on what I see.
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I don't think I'd buy one over the internet, but if I can examine the card in hand as in this scenario, I don't see why not.
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Not only is it too much of a gamble for me at that price point, but I'd be skeptical of someone selling a raw card in that range when they could easily have it graded and secure higher value and avoid any headaches. There are certainly times when a raw might intrigue me (estate sale, etc.), but without a compelling justification to ease my mind, I'd walk away. Last edited by jmhumr; 05-05-2024 at 09:43 AM. |
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Kind of agree with Packs on this one.
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I trust my own judgement more than that of the opinion sellers, and I wouldn't charge myself as much.
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Sadly The consensus by the market movers, the ones who set the going market price bidding in auctions seems to be once the card is in a PSA or SGC Holder with a number grade It doesn’t matter what has been done to the card. It’s in a holder now blessed by PSA or SGC and is unaltered and authentic with a number grade. It is now highly liquid and has a greater resale value now and down the road.
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I would get a background on the card. How it was obtained by the dealer. I most likely would buy it raw, with a thorough review of the card. I'm sure they would back it up for being real, but altered is a different story, so I would really review the card before buying.
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That's exactly what it is…
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Not only would I, I did so. Gehrig too. And Foxx.
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I once bought a raw 1933 Sport Kings Babe Ruth off eBay, paid $500 for it and it graded a 2 by PSA.. this was about 20 years ago or so.
now days, I would probably still buy raw off eBay due to the authenticity guarantee. Last edited by bcookie; 04-29-2024 at 06:53 PM. |
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