Roberto Clemente Banned in Florida

[G1911]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I was warned that this moment would come and here it is. It is utterly incomprehensible that you can directly quote me and then insist I said the exact opposite.

The transcript speaks for itself. In 128 and on you have referred to these books (which a reasonable reader can only presume are the books in question we have all been talking about, as nothing else is named or referenced instead) as being removed. They were not removed. It is impossible to remove a book that wasn't there. It took 30 seconds to find the districts statement.

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I am not sure how this happens, although I can think of a number of different explanations. None of them are particularly complementary.

I don't doubt it. It's the normal path of the ideologue, judgement before reading what is in question, then being unable to cite their claims in the document in question, the dismissal of reason and a reason standard itself because that doesn't find what they want to find, until the anger and ad hominem are all that's left. I will leave the personal shit talk to our delightful ideologues. Happy collecting

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by G1911

The transcript speaks for itself. In 128 and on you have referred to these books (which a reasonable reader can only presume are the books in question we have all been talking about, as nothing else is named or referenced instead) as being removed. They were not removed. It is impossible to remove a book that wasn't there. It took 30 seconds to find the districts statement.

You know, since you know more about what I mean than I do, perhaps you should just carry on both sides of the conversation yourself. That way you are sparring with your intellectual equal and, at the end, can congratulate yourself on your brilliance.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

You know, since you know more about what I mean than I do, perhaps you should just carry on both sides of the conversation yourself. That way you are sparring with your intellectual equal and, at the end, can congratulate yourself on your brilliance.

Ha

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by G1911

They were not removed. It is impossible to remove a book that wasn't there. It took 30 seconds to find the districts statement.

Can you post a link to that statement? The only ones that I found confirmed the removal of books to be 'reviewed', none addressing whether Duval Co had the books available in the first place. As a matter of fact, The Duval Co Public Schools database shows the exact opposite: That it IS present, has been removed and is 'pending' rejection or approval.

Edited to add: It appears that these books were ordered in the summer of 2021 and have NOT been on the shelves as they have been delayed by 10 months undergoing 'review'. So, literally, they were NOT removed since they haven't made it to the shelves yet. That makes this whole thing seem so much better!

Intended classrooms Book and author(s) Review status
3rd grade When Aidan Became A Brother, by Kyle Lukoff and Kaylani Juanita Rejected
3rd grade Henry Aaron’s Dream, by Matt Tavares Pending
3rd grade Roberto Clemente: Pride of the Pittsburgh Pirates, by Jonah Winter and Raúl Colón Pending
3rd grade Wilma’s Way Home: The Life of Wilma Mankiller, by Doreen Rappaport and Linda Kukuk Pending
3rd grade 14 Cows for America, by Carmen Agra Deedy, Wilson Kimeli Naiyomah and Thomas Gonzalez Approved
3rd grade A Dog Named Haku: A Holiday Story from Nepal, by Margarita Engle, Amish Karanjit, Nicole Karanjit, and Ruth Jeyaveeran Approved
3rd grade A Storm Called Katrina, by Myron Uhlberg and Colin Bootman Approved

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Can you post a link to that statement? The only ones that I found confirmed the removal of books to be 'reviewed', none addressing whether Duval Co had the books available in the first place. As a matter of fact, The Duval Co Public Schools database shows the exact opposite: That it IS present, has been removed and is 'pending' rejection or approval.

Edited to add: It appears that these books were ordered in the summer of 2021 and have NOT been on the shelves as they have been delayed by 10 months undergoing 'review'. So, literally, they were NOT removed since they haven't made it to the shelves yet. That makes this whole thing seem so much better!

Intended classrooms Book and author(s) Review status
3rd grade When Aidan Became A Brother, by Kyle Lukoff and Kaylani Juanita Rejected
3rd grade Henry Aaron’s Dream, by Matt Tavares Pending
3rd grade Roberto Clemente: Pride of the Pittsburgh Pirates, by Jonah Winter and Raúl Colón Pending
3rd grade Wilma’s Way Home: The Life of Wilma Mankiller, by Doreen Rappaport and Linda Kukuk Pending
3rd grade 14 Cows for America, by Carmen Agra Deedy, Wilson Kimeli Naiyomah and Thomas Gonzalez Approved
3rd grade A Dog Named Haku: A Holiday Story from Nepal, by Margarita Engle, Amish Karanjit, Nicole Karanjit, and Ruth Jeyaveeran Approved
3rd grade A Storm Called Katrina, by Myron Uhlberg and Colin Bootman Approved

Jim, stop adding facts into the discussion! That’s not favored here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Can you post a link to that statement? The only ones that I found confirmed the removal of books to be 'reviewed', none addressing whether Duval Co had the books available in the first place. As a matter of fact, The Duval Co Public Schools database shows the exact opposite: That it IS present, has been removed and is 'pending' rejection or approval.

Edited to add: It appears that these books were ordered in the summer of 2021 and have NOT been on the shelves as they have been delayed by 10 months undergoing 'review'. So, literally, they were NOT removed since they haven't made it to the shelves yet. That makes this whole thing seem so much better!

Intended classrooms Book and author(s) Review status
3rd grade When Aidan Became A Brother, by Kyle Lukoff and Kaylani Juanita Rejected
3rd grade Henry Aaron’s Dream, by Matt Tavares Pending
3rd grade Roberto Clemente: Pride of the Pittsburgh Pirates, by Jonah Winter and Raúl Colón Pending
3rd grade Wilma’s Way Home: The Life of Wilma Mankiller, by Doreen Rappaport and Linda Kukuk Pending
3rd grade 14 Cows for America, by Carmen Agra Deedy, Wilson Kimeli Naiyomah and Thomas Gonzalez Approved
3rd grade A Dog Named Haku: A Holiday Story from Nepal, by Margarita Engle, Amish Karanjit, Nicole Karanjit, and Ruth Jeyaveeran Approved
3rd grade A Storm Called Katrina, by Myron Uhlberg and Colin Bootman Approved

A dog? LOL. Yeah, that one surely sounds like it needs careful scrutiny lest our youth go astray.

Is the problem that the dog is black?

It's the Festival of Lights in Nepal, and today is the day to honor dogs! Brothers Alu and Bhalu wander the streets of Kathmandu, passing by twirling kites and bamboo swings, looking for a dog to feed. But as night falls, their task begins to feel hopeless, until they spot a small black dog who is in need of a friend. This sweet story presents an important Hindu holiday through the eyes of two young boys, making it relatable for both those familiar with the holiday and those reading about it for the first time.

Maybe the story is code for critical race theory?

Is this really what we want for ourselves?