Should Some Interference Be Allowed In The BST Areas?

[sycks22]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Classic thread.

His original post, which did not include the photo (that came later):

"here it is guys.
been in the family for a long time, my grandfather picked it up when he was a kid from someone in georgia. We had it authenticated in 2008, he almost auctioned it off in 2010, however he was not satisfied with the price. I dont really like honus wagner, with this in mind Im willing to trade this for some other cards. Other cards Im interested in include 52 topps mantle 51 bowman mantle, 54 dan dee mantle, goudey babe ruth, cracker jack ty cobb, hank aaron rookie and other high end cards. I dont really know what to value this card at since it is so beat up, with that in mind if my trade is way to high let me know."

This was by far the best thread ever on here. The guy wasn't even hiding his paper towels and lotion

[Sean]

Originally Posted by sycks22

This was by far the best thread ever on here. The guy wasn't even hiding his paper towels and lotion

Don't forget that BST thread from RB where he tried to sell a Red Cobb/ Lenox for an entire year.

[wondo]

I vote against allowing comments. There will always be a grey area and the possibility it would degrade to a shitshow is too great.

[cubman1941]

I agree with Eric72 also but JollyElm's "hugh can of worms" is also valid. Like Pandora's Box, once it is open it can't be closed.

[Bridwell]

The buyer should do their own research. Sellers posting a "comparable" that has better centering or is a better-looking card is annoying, and unethical, but the buyer can look up the sale for themselves and compare before they make a large purchase.

[carlsonjok]

For a number of reasons, I haven't ever bought or sold much on BST, and normally would err on the side of more information being better, but the downside of this seems to far exceed the upside. I am reminded of the old saying about behavior in academic departments: "The politics are so vicious, because the stakes are so small." There is a lot of petty behavior even on non-BST threads and even causal observers can identify long-standing animosity between specific members. If it was just egregious behavior being called out, I could understand. But, pettiness works on a much a finer increment and who gets to decide the difference between egregious behavior and a merely optimistic seller?

It is my observation that most members here are fairly astute when it comes to the value of cards and memorabilia and the concern, for me anyways, would be newcomers to the hobby and the board. To that end, wouldn't it make more sense to have (yet another) stickie thread at the top of each BST thread with a tutorial on the various ways to determine sales comps? And perhaps requiring new members to read, and acknowledging reading, the tutorial as a condition for approval?

[ullmandds]

personally I think calling out potential BST seller on BS should be perfectly allowed.

although in this day and age...where do we draw the line as to what real data/facts are?

A recent auction result could be an outlier...a fake sale? But in many cases this is just a guess...noone knows for sure?

I have bought/sold some incredible cards on the bst over the last 15-20 yrs...and I value it as a great place to transact.

And this board has a way of self regulating itself...but only if BS is called out!!!!

I just want it to stay that way.

[ALBB]

Yea, its a seller tactic,

its a bit annoying,

everyone obviously sees what the seller is trying to do - " look that last Mantle in that shape sold for XX, Im only asking XY

If your at a show and a dealer say that to you..you kind of say to yourself " who cares, thats got nothing to do with this possible sale "

I dont think anything needs to be done

[1952boyntoncollector]

funny years ago i cited an auction that was left out the same fact pattern and was met with criticism for that....years go by and now what I did is being considered....too soon for my time...story of my life

[hcv123]

I generally agree that changing the rules would be akin to opening up a can of worms.

An issue like pricing/value (or grading) practically includes subjectivity. As the specific question you asked was about publicly available and easily accessed information, I think the responsibility for due diligence is on both the buyer and seller. We frequently discuss "caveat emptor" and "eye appeal premium" - perhaps the seller is noting cards that he believes are the closest representation to his regarding that? I know anytime I am looking at purchasing a card, I could care less what "comps" a seller is providing - I do my own homework.


That said, I think you could handle on a case-by-case basis a seller who is in your opinion repeatedly & purposefully trying to dupe.

A grayer area to me would be calling attention to cards or items with known controversy that may not be as easily accessible. I recall a thread recently where the authenticity of certain sealed packs had been discussed in an article which the poster linked to in the thread. Another example would be a card that someone knows/notices has been called into question as to it's alteration by BODA (with a link to the appropriate page). Not sure if/where to draw a line, but something like this would seem like a better argument could be made than for "simple" pricing.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

I'd vote not to "over legislate" the B/S/T. If someone posts misleading comps, so be it. As a seller you will develop an unseemly reputation and likely also be called out by a member or two. Expect it. Mod's allow it to happen. Of course forum etiquette still applies.

And that's the thing, if you're going to post ridiculous comps from say, 2021, then you invite others to call out your unscrupulous behavior. Don't get mad when they do. Most understand ~Buyer Beware~

[refz]

I’m ok with this, I know m off a lot of times with pricing.


Perhaps other areas also not only pricing and sales. Education is how we grow!

[Oscar_Stanage]

I've never understood why there is a written or unwritten rule of not allowing people to comment. The only reason I have found that sellers do not want this is so they can inflate prices and/or hide information and do not want to be questioned.

Any comment should be easily defensible/explained by a seller or you should not be selling. What are you so afraid of?

I have sold cards before on FB and if someone comments, I just explain- "I am pricing this for X, yes it is 10% above comps. I look at the VCP sales and my card is clearly better because of X,Y,X.. thus that is my price. feel free to make an offer"

[HexsHeroes]

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Personally feel that if acceptable for members to post current market valuation data or information to another member's B/S/T post, then it should be perfectly acceptable for members to "out" auctions.

I realize "outing" behavior is very unpopular among members and that many might not see any relationship between the question posed by Leon here and "outing". But IMHO both behaviors are related.

That said, am I one to intentionally out auctions? No !!!

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by wondo

I vote against allowing comments. There will always be a grey area and the possibility it would degrade to a shitshow is too great.

Agree 100%.