SGC-Incredible Turnaround Time!!!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I remember the days when bulk $5 or $6 per card would take up to a month and how frustrating it was when it took closer to 6 weeks. Now we can pay PSA $100 per card and wait at least a month to get it back. And most of us will do that well before we would pay SGC $18 to $24 per card for 1 week door to door service.

With any luck, all of this capacity that PSA has developed will chew through their backlog, and if submissions stay low, then they will have to lower their prices to keep all of those graders busy, with hopefully quicker turnaround to boot!

But right now, that seems more like wishful thinking more than a solid conviction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

With any luck, all of this capacity that PSA has developed will chew through their backlog, and if submissions stay low, then they will have to lower their prices to keep all of those graders busy, with hopefully quicker turnaround to boot!

But right now, that seems more like wishful thinking more than a solid conviction.

Nobody is seriously threatening their very high market share. It seems to me the biggest risk to them is if overall market submissions drop, because prospectors change their minds about submitting endless volumes of new stuff.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody is seriously threatening their very high market share. It seems to me the biggest risk to them is if overall market submissions drop, because prospectors change their minds about submitting endless volumes of new stuff.

Precisely.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Random ebay search.
PSA Jasson Dominguez 2300+
SGC Jasson Dominguez 243

PSA Mike Trout 16000+
SGC Mike Trout 1000_

Carry on.

[joshleon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Random ebay search.
PSA Jasson Dominguez 2300+
SGC Jasson Dominguez 243

PSA Mike Trout 16000+
SGC Mike Trout 1000_

Carry on.

I guess I know where I am sending my 2023s! Not sure what else this means.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Random ebay search.
PSA Jasson Dominguez 2300+
SGC Jasson Dominguez 243

PSA Mike Trout 16000+
SGC Mike Trout 1000_

Carry on.

You must come up with these sale prices in your dreams. There were no such comparisons on ebay. Try using your brain before posting dumb crap.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Frank A

You must come up with these sale prices in your dreams. There were no such comparisons on ebay. Try using your brain before posting dumb crap.

Use yours. These are obviously number of listings, not sale prices.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Frank A

You must come up with these sale prices in your dreams. There were no such comparisons on ebay. Try using your brain before posting dumb crap.

This is funny! What a great self-own.

It reminds me of the old Gildna Radner skits.What is all the fuss about violins on TV?

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by raulus

With any luck, all of this capacity that PSA has developed will chew through their backlog, and if submissions stay low, then they will have to lower their prices to keep all of those graders busy, with hopefully quicker turnaround to boot!

But right now, that seems more like wishful thinking more than a solid conviction.

My, admittedly cynical opinion, is that PSA and SGC lay off people to keep profits high before they maintain the overhead simply to provide us better turnaround times. Especially in PSA's case, they know we will wait 18 months to get cards back and the way we show how upset we are is to keep sending them more and more stuff.

Not sure how much lower prices can go at SGC but PSA could lower bulk rates but I doubt they will lower any other grading tiers. Maybe PSA will start to offer regular monthly specials for the high tiers as things continue to slow down.

[Snowman]

I keep reading that PSA outsells SGC every time. Meanwhile, I keep crossing laughably undergraded PSA slabs into accurately graded SGC holders.

[jimmer77]

I will continue to use both SGC and PSA, as I have subs at both companies right now, but have been leaning towards PSA for higher end cards and SGC for some niche cards that I like in their holders better than PS, but if SGC pricing came down and they had a registry then I may come back to SGC for all subs or if PSA came down in price and kept their current turn times then I don't know...my problem I don't have a loyalty and just sub to whoever I am in the mood for on the day I get my sub together...for example if I have something I want back fast then SGC if not then PSA...I guess just wishy washy alas Charlie Brown

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I keep reading that PSA outsells SGC every time. Meanwhile, I keep crossing laughably undergraded PSA slabs into accurately graded SGC holders.

Or one is more lenient than the other.
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[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Leon

Or one is more lenient than the other.
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That's one way to look at it. But when you compare cards in old PSA holders to new ones, the difference is striking. Seems like PSA has become stricter by about 2 grades, some times even more.

When I look at SGC cards that were graded a decade ago, yes SGC has gotten slightly more strict, but overall seems a lot more consistent over time than PSA.

I think this relative consistency by SGC is a good thing.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

That's one way to look at it. But when you compare cards in old PSA holders to new ones, the difference is striking. Seems like PSA has become stricter by about 2 grades, some times even more.

When I look at SGC cards that were graded a decade ago, yes SGC has gotten slightly more strict, but overall seems a lot more consistent over time than PSA.

I think this relative consistency by SGC is a good thing.

Exactly this. It's not an issue of SGC being more lenient than PSA. It's an issue of competency at PSA with their 100+ newly hired inexperienced graders. These guys simply don't know how to grade vintage. PSA grades are wildly inconsistent. It's a HUGE problem. They truly are off by a full 2 grades these days on a ton of cards, and reliably off by at least one full grade. SGC has tightened up a little bit compared to prior industry standards, as you mentioned, but many of the grades coming out of PSA right now are facepalm worthy. I would argue that consistency is the single most important aspect of the grading industry behind the ability to spot a fake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Exactly this. It's not an issue of SGC being more lenient than PSA. It's an issue of competency at PSA with their 100+ newly hired inexperienced graders. These guys simply don't know how to grade vintage. PSA grades are wildly inconsistent. It's a HUGE problem. They truly are off by a full 2 grades these days on a ton of cards, and reliably off by at least one full grade. SGC has tightened up a little bit compared to prior industry standards, as you mentioned, but many of the grades coming out of PSA right now are facepalm worthy. I would argue that consistency is the single most important aspect of the grading industry behind the ability to spot a fake.

This one was a mystery to me but PSA just confirmed the grade.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Exactly this. It's not an issue of SGC being more lenient than PSA. It's an issue of competency at PSA with their 100+ newly hired inexperienced graders. These guys simply don't know how to grade vintage. PSA grades are wildly inconsistent. It's a HUGE problem. They truly are off by a full 2 grades these days on a ton of cards, and reliably off by at least one full grade. SGC has tightened up a little bit compared to prior industry standards, as you mentioned, but many of the grades coming out of PSA right now are facepalm worthy. I would argue that consistency is the single most important aspect of the grading industry behind the ability to spot a fake.

Absolutely agree that PSA is a wreck in the grading room. Too many graders. SGC on higher grade vintage is not doing much better from what I am seeing unless they are cards in submissions from the major auction houses.

I do not like what I am seeing coming from either of them on NM or better vintage. They both are failing miserably at their job. PSA might have more inexperienced graders but SGC is a very close second. Couple that with dudes seeing mostly modern stuff and you have a recipe for nice vintage getting crushed.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Leon

Or one is more lenient than the other.
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That will be the day when I see an under graded PSA card!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by cammb

that will be the day when i see an under graded psa card!

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[bobbyw8469]

The turnaround time seems to have slowed.....