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Do you consider this to be a fraudulent listing by Heritage?
I do, and have reached out to them. The certified item shown in the listing is simply an authenticated sticker auto. However, the listing claims this is a genuine unopened pack with a Gretzky rookie card on back (and I’m sure we all can imagine how people with genuine unopened 1979 packs with Gretzky RCs on back love to put crappy sticker autos on the front). Anyway, I think this is absolutely disingenuous and actually fraudulent…especially Heritage “valuing” it at $10k. There is a similar Topps pack as well in this auction, and another OPC ready to go for the next auction. So some guy is just making a bunch of these out of a $50 wrapper, cards of unknown type/authenticity, and a genuine sticker auto…right? Or am I crazy? Sincerely, Will.i.am $t@dy. https://sports.ha.com/itm/autographs...kedLots-101116 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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So did PSA authenticate just the signed sticker…and not the pack?
I’m not sure the listing qualifies as fraudulent, but the item itself does seem pretty shady as presented. I wouldn’t touch it at a fraction of the price it’s going for right now…even if the signature and Gretzky card that’s supposedly been kissing a wax wrapper for 40+ years were real. |
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I would say not fraudulent as it's pretty clearly disclosed. Stupid maybe.
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"Encapsulated PSA Authentic with a blue marker signature that is certified PSA/DNA Authentic Auto." So that seems to be saying more than one thing has been authenticated. And they also say: "...there are still a small number of O-Pee-Chee brand unopened packs available and ours is set apart from others for two reasons..." That pretty clearly says this is an O-Pee-Chee brand unopened pack to me. |
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A. Pack is unopened. B. It’s a wax pack so you can see the back card which is while likely wax stained, a Gretzky Rc. C. They look to have not gone though the effort to have Wayne sign the pack but rather removed a sticker auto from an insert card and stuck it to the pack. It’s a legit auto, just stupid; and PSA says it’s real. So yes it’s dumb, but where is the fraud? It says clearly the card is the back card, where is your proof of reseal as that seems to be the only insinuation as the listing is very clear. I have yet to see a wax wrapper without an identifiable back card (which is usually stained unless you are lucky with some old pantyhose to clean it up). Edit- ok, I think I figured out your line of thinking and I guess there is a bit of a point. They are stating that the pack is sealed and there is no way to have both of those graded at the same time. Point taken. Because the sticker auto is added they can only grade that much like a cut. While creatively worded, I don’t see any actual language stating the pack is graded. It’s still a dumb item, but if this works stay tuned for more.
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If the pack was signed physically and not a sticker added, you might have been able to get an “authentic” grade on the pack but I think it would take a bit of an ask. You can only get combo card/sig grades on factory produced items to my knowledge.
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A. Grade pack as sealed but a 1 due to the pack being essentially damaged by a sticker which is now uncertified. B. Grade the auto only as an affixed cut basically. Just plain stupid.
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If this pack was legit, it would almost be the hockey equivalent of taking a '52 Topps unopened pack with Mantle showing, putting a clear autographed sticker on it, and having PSA certify only that the autograph on the sticker is genuine, no...one...would...ever...do...that. |
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Yeah, it is only Heritage saying it's an unopened pack...and if that was their actual evaluation and assessment it should be more clearly stated. But someone, the consigner, is producing these in a quantity (3 so far that I've seen) that you would not realistically expect to see all at once 40+ years after original production.
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I would wager that I am even likely wrong that it would be accepted by PSA for pack grading at all. The Topps Rookie Premiere scandal that absolutely killed them in 2007-8 as they graded an absolute ton of backdoored cards with fake signatures as “authentic” and stated it happened as they were only grading the cards themselves and not the signature would likely have them stating that without removing the sticker they would refuse to grade just the pack. Funny thing is that this submitter flipped that on its head. Psa did actually take a safe route by only putting “sticker” on this.
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Out of curiosity, as you said this was the 3rd you’ve seen, what were the prices reached on the others? I did not see one in a complete d search and think someone would be nuts to spend real dollars like you mentioned on this.
I am sure they are out there…”a fool and his money”.
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I'm gonna try and be over it now. I appreciate everyone's input and thoughts. |
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You’ve certainly brought good points.
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