National pricing

[oldjudge]

For me the problem in recent years wasn’t the prices; I expected them to be high. The problem was that there was virtually no scarce 19th century baseball material except on the auction house tables. Hopefully, that will not be the case for those attending this year, but that would surprise me.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

For me the problem in recent years wasn’t the prices; I expected them to be high. The problem was that there was virtually no scarce 19th century baseball material except on the auction house tables. Hopefully, that will not be the case for those attending this year, but that would surprise me.

Richard M always has a nice selection of rare 19th century cards and TIK still comes up with some stuff.

[ullmandds]

while I agree that many segments of the hobby are down from their pandemic highs...while the cream of the crop still sets records when they transact. The national is ALWAYS full of mostly overpriced cards...especially the good stuff! Why should this year be any different?

Same as it ever was!

[Snapolit1]

sometimes the best move is get the guy’s card and reach out to him in a week with your fingers crossed. has worked for me. has also not worked.

[Steve_NY]

As an exhibitor, I never expect to get 100% of my asking price for most items. I am even negotiable on the rarest of the rare.

I tend to sell at 85% to 90% of my asking price, and this year I am showcasing ten showcases or more (all locked) of the common to the rare. But I am also focusing on significantly rarer items that could feasibly sell in the $10,000 to $100,000 range or more.

Some of those items I am not that negotiable but it depends on whether I have a good show or not. You never know.

I have not experinced this decline in prices that the rest of the market keeps talking about. Well maybe in non sports cards and sets. I expect to have a good show and if not, I will curb my buying during the rest of 2022 and into 2023.

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo@aol.com
914-522-3853

Booth 1100 6 booths in the main entrance

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Steve_NY

As an exhibitor, I never expect to get 100% of my asking price for most items. I am even negotiable on the rarest of the rare.

I tend to sell at 85% to 90% of my asking price, and this year I am showcasing ten showcases or more (all locked) of the common to the rare. But I am also focusing on significantly rarer items that could feasibly sell in the $10,000 to $100,000 range or more.

Some of those items I am not that negotiable but it depends on whether I have a good show or not. You never know.

I have not experinced this decline in prices that the rest of the market keeps talking about. Well maybe in non sports cards and sets. I expect to have a good show and if not, I will curb my buying during the rest of 2022 and into 2023.

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo@aol.com
914-522-3853

Booth 1100 6 booths in the main entrance

Report back in this thread next week how you did please.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Steve_NY

As an exhibitor, I never expect to get 100% of my asking price for most items. I am even negotiable on the rarest of the rare.

I tend to sell at 85% to 90% of my asking price, and this year I am showcasing ten showcases or more (all locked) of the common to the rare. But I am also focusing on significantly rarer items that could feasibly sell in the $10,000 to $100,000 range or more.

Some of those items I am not that negotiable but it depends on whether I have a good show or not. You never know.

I have not experinced this decline in prices that the rest of the market keeps talking about. Well maybe in non sports cards and sets. I expect to have a good show and if not, I will curb my buying during the rest of 2022 and into 2023.

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo@aol.com
914-522-3853

Booth 1100 6 booths in the main entrance

im guessing you have better stuff than most!!!!

[Steve_NY]

I guess that I work hard every year to find rare items. I would say I am in the top 10 percent, but what does that really mean.

The last time we did AC, I barely made my goal, but I hope I will do that quickly this year.

I am making a display in 2 of my showcases of Topps Test cards, wrappers and unopened packs. I also will have many proof cards as well.

If you are a collector of test cards, you really need to see my display, It should be interesting.

In fact, if I don't sell it before the show, I will be highlighting some really rare Topps test packs including only the second 1968 Topps Test Basketball pack ever found. Imagine pulling a Wilt Chamberlin test card that PSA lists at $50,000+ in a PSA 8. Imagine a 9 or 10?

I am also exhibiting a 1968 Topps 3D Baseball pack and a 1968 Topps All Star Baseball Plaks pack. Among others!!!

I just revised my packs for sale list about an hour ago, so contact me if you want a copy.

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo@aol.com
914-522-3853

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Steve_NY

As an exhibitor, I never expect to get 100% of my asking price for most items. I am even negotiable on the rarest of the rare.

I tend to sell at 85% to 90% of my asking price, and this year I am showcasing ten showcases or more (all locked) of the common to the rare. But I am also focusing on significantly rarer items that could feasibly sell in the $10,000 to $100,000 range or more.

Some of those items I am not that negotiable but it depends on whether I have a good show or not. You never know.

I have not experinced this decline in prices that the rest of the market keeps talking about. Well maybe in non sports cards and sets. I expect to have a good show and if not, I will curb my buying during the rest of 2022 and into 2023.

Steve Sabow
DynamicTwo@aol.com
914-522-3853

Booth 1100 6 booths in the main entrance

Steve, how are sales at the National?

[Ricky]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Richard M always has a nice selection of rare 19th century cards and TIK still comes up with some stuff.

I don’t see a Richard M on the dealer list.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I just want to say, unless you are looking for something specific, saying you can't find items at good prices seems insane. I got to walk around for about an hour after I set up yesterday and I could've spent my budget 5 times over just on things I could flip immediately.

[Mrc32]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I just want to say, unless you are looking for something specific, saying you can't find items at good prices seems insane. I got to walk around for about an hour after I set up yesterday and I could've spent my budget 5 times over just on things I could flip immediately.

I guess it depends on what you were looking for. When items were priced in cases at 2X what the SAME item closed for in last weeks Heritage auction - its not even worth inquiring. It was like that on just about every 1954 Hank Aaron on the show floor. I walked in with the intention of buying one in a 3/4 range. I walked out just saying I'll hit one up online for a thousand dollars cheaper.

I came close to pulling a trigger on a PSA 3.5 at $3900. But the dealer wouldn't budge. An SGC 3 closed in Heritage a week ago for $2300 and a PSA 3 closed last week for $2300. The PSA 3.5 was about what you'd expect for a 3 range but had a decent sized stain in the top corner.

The dealer was actually insulted I asked for a better price. He said "Its the cheapest one in town. I'm shocked it hasn't sold yet"

LOL

Edit to add: I didn't even bother mentioning the PSA 4s in cases all over for $6000 etc. I just walked by those.

[insidethewrapper]

How much are some of these guys carrying around with them in cash ? I can't imagine going to the bank and asking for $100k + in cash .

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

How much are some of these guys carrying around with them in cash ? I can't imagine going to the bank and asking for $100k + in cash .

There were people carrying more than that and others were carrying cards that were very high end and showing them to people trying to sell it to dealers or other buyers. They were also trying to trade.

Some of the dealers had actual huge safes (approx 6 foot tall) and as they transacted they put the money in them for safe keeping.

There were a lot of cards over 100k and a lot more there for sale.

So carrying $100k in cash would not get you many of high end Mantles I saw or other cards that were $350k or more

Many dealers took check only if you had someone that could vouch for you that they knew and were comfortable with and some did PayPal FF but Cash is as king and many would not look at you if you did not have cash

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Ricky

I don’t see a Richard M on the dealer list.

He is most likely set up with a Scott B and Jay M most likely will be around to

[Oscar_Stanage]

I picked a few cards at good prices

[bigfanNY]

I had the pleasure of meeting SB1 at his table and it had a wonderful group of cards. A diverse group of 19th century cards that was easily the best table of items for sale at the show. I had my grandson who had me hunting down pokemon cards for his collection so I did not have much time to say hello to many old friends but we had a great time.
I got to show 1230 on Friday and was nervous about parking but got a great spot. Got 1 autograph that took up alot of our time. But I was very happy to find a ton of fun card products and activities for my grandson. Panini kid case lots of promos and swag to break up the time. I was happily surprised by how many more young folks (with cash to spend) were at this national vs 2016 last time national was here in AC. A large number of corporate booths pushing Card pricing data packages. I am 100% that that will thin out quite a bit by the next time national is back here in NJ..

[Seven]

There were definitely deals to be had, if you looked in the right places. I found some 52 Topps commons for 4-7 dollars a piece, granted they were in rougher condition, but that's still hard to find nowadays, with the popularity of the set.

I was able to secure two Mantles for very fair prices, especially the 67 that I picked up today, in a PSA 5. It took a lot of searching, and some haggling but patience was definitely key. Were there some booths that were overpriced in my opinion? Absolutely. But there's definitely some wiggle room if you go about things the right way.