1967 Topps 6th Series

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Here is the first one again since this thread flipped to page 2.

So here's where I get confused - once we know a card to the right or left of another card, it's set in stone...no matter where the row is or how many times it appears on either slit, it's the same arrangement.

With the arrangement of multiple rows, which we know differs from slit to slit, can we be certain that, in this case, Menke was ever under Wagner and over Coombs on the same slit? It could have been, but all we know for sure is that at least on one slit he was under Wagner, and at least on one he was over Coombs, no?

Know what I mean?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

So here's where I get confused - once we know a card to the right or left of another card, it's set in stone...no matter where the row is or how many times it appears on either slit, it's the same arrangement.

With the arrangement of multiple rows, which we know differs from slit to slit, can we be certain that, in this case, Menke was ever under Wagner and over Coombs on the same slit? It could have been, but all we know for sure is that at least on one slit he was under Wagner, and at least on one he was over Coombs, no?

Know what I mean?

You’re right, 77 card Series have rows in different spots and a couple will have different rows above or below them. I have found two different cards above Checklists in this Series, Dennis Ribant and Ron Campbell, KevvyG1026 and I have come to the conclusion that both are above the Marichal 6th Series card and are both on the right edge. That means two different rows are above the row with the Marichal 6th Series Checklist over the two Slits. 88 and 66 card Series are very simple, 77 and 110 card Series are more complicated with some rows in different places.

[G1911]

To establish the 11 card rows, we need pretty much every card miscut.

To establish the vertical order of the rows on top of each other, if we know the 11 card rows, we only need a few miscuts to show which rows appeared over which other rows, because the rows never change, even though it won't be the same on both half sheets.

We'll probably never know which half sheet is which without a sheet discovery, but this should be doable like the 66 highs with enough patience.

Unfortunately this series appears to have been well-cut by Topps standards. I am striking out finding more. I have not been able to turn up even a 2 card panel from this series digging through auction archives. I sent this link to the Topps collectors I know who don't post online and got nothing there either. Still digging...

It would be really cool to be able to correctly ID the relative print quantities of every vintage Topps card eventually.

[Cliff Bowman]

Here are the two cards known in the Series to be above a Checklist, the Ribant is no doubt above the Marichal 6th Series Checklist and the Campbell appears to also be above the Marichal 6th Series Checklist.

[Cliff Bowman]

This is the last one I have until new miscuts show up, the card beside Ron Campbell has only one line around the career stat line, Ortega is the only card in the Series missing one of the two lines around the career stat line.

[Gorditadogg]

Mark, this is all I have for you. I have had these since '67, so I could have pulled these two from the same pack. I checked all my backs but they are no help.

497 Campbell
523 Merritt

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Mark, this is all I have for you. I have had these since '67, so I could have pulled these two from the same pack. I checked all my backs but they are no help.

497 Campbell
523 Merritt

Hmmm, if there wasn't a back miscut with proof that Santiago is to the right of Merritt I would have taken these as proof Campbell is to the right of Merritt. Apparently the Merritt and the Campbell were cut from the same exact sheet and were cut identically but are not side by side on the sheet. I think the Campbell miscut does proves that it is on the right edge of a SP row.

[Cliff Bowman]

Kevvyg1026 found this one, a Menke miscut with a 12 year stat line card to his left. There are five cards with 12 year stat lines left after Hicks is eliminated, Wine, McCarver, and McFarlane don't work because the lines don't match up, Clemens is eliminated because he is in a SP row, so it is Jack Fisher who is a perfect match. That means these two blocks can be connected, and Kevvyg1026 also figured out that Miller, Bird Bombers, and Gary Bell are leading header cards in those rows because there are wavy edge cuts found on the left side of all three cards.

[Cliff Bowman]

Kevvyg1026 and I have figured out the lead cards (headers) for each of the seven rows in the 1967 6th Series, in other words the first card in each row. They are Bob Miller, Bird Bombers, Gary Bell, 7th Series Checklist, Tony Perez, Pirates Rookie Stars (Gelnar-Spriggs), Felix Mantilla. That is #472 Pirates Rookie Stars under Perez in the miscut and the name of Tony Perez is barely visible in the miscut of the #531 Checklist. As far as the exact order and which four rows are SP's (3x) and which three rows are DP's (4x) is still to be determined.