1967 Topps 6th Series

[deweyinthehall]

Interesting. We now know 3 cards in one of the rows because of Cliff's images - MERRITT/SANTIAGO/PALMER.

For what it's worth:

In Dave's eBay count, Palmer is far and away #1 with 53. Santiago and Merritt are barely in the upper half with 16 and 15 respectively (not accounting for ties).

I checked the PSA Pop Report, and Palmer leads the pack with more than 1300 for clear reasons. Merritt is in the upper 1/4 with 307, and Santiago is in the lower half with 239.

I did a quick check of COMC, and all 3 are in the upper third with between 8 and 15 of each.

For the most part, the other pairs Cliff posted are all fairly close in counts on the eBay list.

[JollyElm]

Has the time come to start trying to put print sheets together, like you guys did with the 1966 high numbers?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Has the time come to start trying to put print sheets together, like you guys did with the 1966 high numbers?

I wish, we’re nowhere close on this one to start reconstructing the sheet yet.

[Cliff Bowman]

I found a few more at Dean's Cards, 461 Bob Miller is above 521 Bird Bombers, 478 Bob Humphreys is above 523 Jim Merritt, 512 Red Schoendienst is above 473 Jose Santiago, 527 Dennis Ribant is above a Checklist on the right edge, 497 Ron Campbell is above a Checklist on the right edge.

[Kevvyg1026]

Found this

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[Kevvyg1026]

And a thought: In 1967, at least for series 1 through 5, the current series checklist and the upcoming checklist were on opposite sides of the slit.

[deweyinthehall]

Based upon the 1 7th series sheet we have and the reconstruction of what the other slit probably looked like which was done in another thread, series 7 probably has a row count of 4x4x4x4x3x3x2.

Since the 6th series has the same number of unique rows, is it reasonable to presume that the row count would be the same, or is even that far too much to hope for?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Found this

Attachment 520625

You stole my thunder on that one. Last night I went through the other 76 cards and I am 99% sure it is the Braves Team card under McCovey. I also found one of those severe back miscuts on COMC, 520 Max Alvis is to the right of 524 Felix Mantilla. On a side note, Mantilla never did play a game for the Cubs, he blew out an Achilles tendon in spring training in 1967 and then tried to make the team again in spring training in 1968 but was cut.

[Cliff Bowman]

521 Bird Bombers is above 479 Gary Bell.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Interesting. We now know 3 cards in one of the rows because of Cliff's images - MERRITT/SANTIAGO/PALMER.

For what it's worth:

In Dave's eBay count, Palmer is far and away #1 with 53. Santiago and Merritt are barely in the upper half with 16 and 15 respectively (not accounting for ties).

I checked the PSA Pop Report, and Palmer leads the pack with more than 1300 for clear reasons. Merritt is in the upper 1/4 with 307, and Santiago is in the lower half with 239.

I did a quick check of COMC, and all 3 are in the upper third with between 8 and 15 of each.

For the most part, the other pairs Cliff posted are all fairly close in counts on the eBay list.

I'm re-running the survey, something was not right with eBay on 6/9 and I'm getting vastly different results today. Will post when complete.

[Cliff Bowman]

I found three new ones to add, 471 Rene Lachemann is to the left of 516 Giants Team card (only two cards in Series 6 have a five year stat line, Lachemann and Fritz Peterson, the lines match up with Lachemann), 532 Jim Hicks is to the left of 517 Fred Talbot (six cards in the Series have a 12 year stat line, the lines match up with Hicks and not the other five), and 458 Lee Thomas is to the right of 525 Ron Hunt (I matched the out of register photo on the right edge of the Ron Hunt card to the left edge of a Lee Thomas card).

[G1911]

Nice work on Lachemann. I’m digging and trying to find some more that might help.

Every series of Topps cards still unknown should be doable to map via this method and some patience.

[Kevvyg1026]

I suppose you are right. However, Cliff & I have been working for over a year on 1966 Series 5 and there are 4-5 card placements yet to be identified and this is with a bunch of uncut and miscut material available.

For 1966 series 3, a supposedly easy series because there are no SPs, we still have several cards that require adjacent cards to be located. And both the 7th series from 1969 and the 6th series from 1965 are proving extremely problematic to reconstruct because there is so little uncut or miscut material.

[toppcat]

Here's a corrected card count from yesterday off eBay. No idea what was going on there last week but the results were completely off. This may be more helpful: H=HOF, C=Cardinals, R=Red Sox, Y=Yankees. At a guess, one row may be "super printed". 76 subjects plus a 6th series checklist (not counted) on there.

CARD COUNT PLAYER DES
475 195 PALMER H
464 106 COOMBS
496 105 McFARLANE
503 101 DODGERS TEAM
494 94 RIGNEY
500 92 MARICHAL H
480 91 McCOVEY H
532 91 HICKS
504 89 MARTINEZ
476 84 PEREZ H
459 80 SENATORS ROOKIES
483 80 LANDIS
491 72 BOWENS
510 70 MAZEROSKI H
511 70 WERT
519 61 DAVIDSON
499 60 INDIANS ROOKIES
517 60 TALBOT Y
527 60 RIBANT
525 58 HUNT
530 57 F. ALOU
458 55 THOMAS
524 54 MANTILLA
523 52 MERRITT
533 52 FISHER
460 50 KILLEBREW H
518 50 MENKE
520 48 ALVIS
479 46 BELL
509 45 KING
526 43 TIGERS ROOKIES
507 42 ORIOLES ROOKIES
487 41 REYNOLDS
465 39 HORTON
506 39 BURGESS
469 38 GABRIELSON
528 38 PETROCELLI R
521 37 BIRD BOMBERS
473 36 SANTIAGO R
485 34 McCARVER C
501 34 ZIMMERMAN
516 34 GIANTS TEAM
513 31 LOPEZ
466 30 WINE
512 30 SCHOENDIENST C H
514 30 WERHAS
515 30 CAMPANERIS
492 29 PIRATES TEAM
498 29 DIERKER
531 28 7TH CHECKLIST
463 27 HILL ACES
467 26 O'TOOLE
481 26 DUROCHER H
495 26 PETERSON Y
529 26 WAGNER
470 25 SHAW
482 25 MONBOUQUETTE
505 25 HELMS
461 24 MILLER
474 24 TOLAN C
493 24 ORTEGA
502 24 GRIFFITH
484 23 ADAIR
508 23 HALL
462 22 BARTON
468 22 HOUK Y
472 22 PIRATES ROOKIES
477 22 BRAVES TEAM
497 22 CAMPBELL
471 21 LACHEMANN
478 21 HUMPHREYS
489 19 CLEMENS
490 18 CLONINGER
522 17 STEPHENSON
488 16 ARRIGO
486 15 TWINS ROOKIES
TOTAL 3,505

AVERAGE 46

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by toppcat

CARD COUNT PLAYER DES
475 195 PALMER H
464 106 COOMBS
496 105 McFARLANE
503 101 DODGERS TEAM
494 94 RIGNEY
500 92 MARICHAL H
480 91 McCOVEY H
532 91 HICKS
504 89 MARTINEZ
476 84 PEREZ H
459 80 SENATORS ROOKIES
483 80 LANDIS
491 72 BOWENS
510 70 MAZEROSKI H
511 70 WERT
519 61 DAVIDSON
499 60 INDIANS ROOKIES
517 60 TALBOT Y
527 60 RIBANT
525 58 HUNT
530 57 F. ALOU
458 55 THOMAS
524 54 MANTILLA
523 52 MERRITT
533 52 FISHER
460 50 KILLEBREW H
518 50 MENKE
520 48 ALVIS
479 46 BELL
509 45 KING
526 43 TIGERS ROOKIES
507 42 ORIOLES ROOKIES
487 41 REYNOLDS
465 39 HORTON
506 39 BURGESS
469 38 GABRIELSON
528 38 PETROCELLI R
521 37 BIRD BOMBERS
473 36 SANTIAGO R
485 34 McCARVER C
501 34 ZIMMERMAN
516 34 GIANTS TEAM
513 31 LOPEZ
466 30 WINE
512 30 SCHOENDIENST C H
514 30 WERHAS
515 30 CAMPANERIS
492 29 PIRATES TEAM
498 29 DIERKER
531 28 7TH CHECKLIST
463 27 HILL ACES
467 26 O'TOOLE
481 26 DUROCHER H
495 26 PETERSON Y
529 26 WAGNER
470 25 SHAW
482 25 MONBOUQUETTE
505 25 HELMS
461 24 MILLER
474 24 TOLAN C
493 24 ORTEGA
502 24 GRIFFITH
484 23 ADAIR
508 23 HALL
462 22 BARTON
468 22 HOUK Y
472 22 PIRATES ROOKIES
477 22 BRAVES TEAM
497 22 CAMPBELL
471 21 LACHEMANN
478 21 HUMPHREYS
489 19 CLEMENS
490 18 CLONINGER
522 17 STEPHENSON
488 16 ARRIGO
486 15 TWINS ROOKIES
TOTAL 3,505

AVERAGE 46

Palmer is far and away the most numerous card in the Series but the two cards next to it in the same row are Merritt and Santiago, Merritt is roughly in the DP 4x range but Santiago is almost in the SP 3x range, going by quantities.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Interesting. We now know 3 cards in one of the rows because of Cliff's images - MERRITT/SANTIAGO/PALMER.

For what it's worth:

In Dave's eBay count, Palmer is far and away #1 with 53. Santiago and Merritt are barely in the upper half with 16 and 15 respectively (not accounting for ties).

I checked the PSA Pop Report, and Palmer leads the pack with more than 1300 for clear reasons. Merritt is in the upper 1/4 with 307, and Santiago is in the lower half with 239.

I did a quick check of COMC, and all 3 are in the upper third with between 8 and 15 of each.

For the most part, the other pairs Cliff posted are all fairly close in counts on the eBay list.

I had to update the list, the 6/9 count on eBay was not correct. I used the same search term yesterday and got 3.5x more hits overall. The difference is drastic for some cards.