SGC Strikes Again!!!!!

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by cammb

I thought of a wrinkle that I'm not seeing, if so, I was expectinga 6 . Would a wrinkle take it down three grades?

Yes it could. Would get nothing higher than a 4. It appears NM-MT, to me.

[D. Bergin]

Yeah, it kind of makes you think, what's the point of a 10 point grading system, if 95% of the surviving cards from a particular common series from 60's, are now all technically 1's and 2's.

You just threw 30 bucks in the ocean to grade a 50 cent card.

A 1961 Topps card should be judged on how it was supposed to present when it came out of a pack in 1961, based on it's original production specs.

Not how a diamond laser cut Panini Prizm card comes out of the factory today.

[D. Bergin]

Gotta be at least a warp or a bend or a deep press on there somewhere....or it's just a screw-up.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, it kind of makes you think, what's the point of a 10 point grading system, if 95% of the surviving cards from a particular common series from 60's, are now all technically 1's and 2's.

You just threw 30 bucks in the ocean to grade a 50 cent card.

A 1961 Topps card should be judged on how it was supposed to present when it came out of a pack in 1961, based on it's original production specs.

Not how a diamond laser cut Panini Prizm card comes out of the factory today.

You see it as throwing away 30 bucks for a common, I see it as a necessity on completing a graded set .I think it is one particular grader. I have success in recent subs then I get this. Not the first time.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by cammb

You see it as throwing away 30 bucks for a common, I see it as a necessity on completing a graded set .I think it is one particular grader. I have success in recent subs then I get this. Not the first time.

Sorry, didn't mean to insult you for sending the card in to begin with.

I meant that SGC threw away your 30 bucks when they miss-graded your card to begin with (assuming there's nothing hidden I can't see in the scan).

You obviously wouldn't have sent it in if you expected to only get a "3" for your set.

[JollyElm]

When there was that 'walkthrough of SGC' video floating around, the thing that struck me the most was the machine it put each card through (for any 'The Curse of Oak Island' watchers, they have something similar) that was like a cross between a blacklight and an x-ray machine. That sucker instantly showed all sorts of invisible things impossible to see in regular light - wrinkles, bends, etc.

If your card wasn't just a straight f*ck up by SGC, then I would see if any unseen issues become apparent under a blacklight.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

When there was that 'walkthrough of SGC' video floating around, the thing that struck me the most was the machine it put each card through (for any 'The Curse of Oak Island' watchers, they have something similar) that was like a cross between a blacklight and an x-ray machine. That sucker instantly showed all sorts of invisible things impossible to see in regular light - wrinkles, bends, etc.



If your card wasn't just a straight f*ck up by SGC, then I would see if any unseen issues become apparent under a blacklight.

They also used blacklights to discover what was going on in people's bedrooms in early 2000s MTV Room Raiders. Blacklights discover everyone's dirty little secrets.

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[ASF123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

When there was that 'walkthrough of SGC' video floating around, the thing that struck me the most was the machine it put each card through (for any 'The Curse of Oak Island' watchers, they have something similar) that was like a cross between a blacklight and an x-ray machine. That sucker instantly showed all sorts of invisible things impossible to see in regular light - wrinkles, bends, etc.

If your card wasn't just a straight f*ck up by SGC, then I would see if any unseen issues become apparent under a blacklight.

I don’t know about you, but “perceptible to the human eye” seems to me like a reasonable requirement for what should be considered in grading. Sheesh.

[Vintagedeputy]

I think the print dots and registration issue is what did the card in.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, it kind of makes you think, what's the point of a 10 point grading system, if 95% of the surviving cards from a particular common series from 60's, are now all technically 1's and 2's.

You just threw 30 bucks in the ocean to grade a 50 cent card.

A 1961 Topps card should be judged on how it was supposed to present when it came out of a pack in 1961, based on it's original production specs.

Not how a diamond laser cut Panini Prizm card comes out of the factory today.

AND I'd say it's a waste of 30 bucks 9 times outta 10. In a 10 card submission, there are gonna be 6's that are 3's and 7's that are 5's. I think they grade 55 bowmans and 53 topps fair. Everything else is minus 2 grades. I like their service and took a few chances. Will not send in to anyone again. Just re-affrirmed my feelings how stupid it is for the true collector.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Yes it could. Would get nothing higher than a 4. It appears NM-MT, to me.

SGC 3, Last years PSA 7.

that's what I thought too. Recently, people are saying that it could have a slight surface wrinkle and still get a 5?

"GRADE
5

QUALITY
EX

DESCRIPTION
80/20 or better centering, minor rounding or fuzzing of corners, roughness or chipping along edge (no layering), one VERY slight surface or "spider" crease may exist on one side of the card, gloss may be lost from surface with some scratching that does not detract from the aesthetics of the card."

[Casey2296]

SGC is grading like an entitled debutant right now, I wish CSG would change their hideous lime green label and offer a black apron, they'd get all my business.

[mordecaibrown1]

Sad!

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

SGC 3, Last years PSA 7.

that's what I thought too. Recently, people are saying that it could have a slight surface wrinkle and still get a 5?

"GRADE
5

QUALITY
EX

DESCRIPTION
80/20 or better centering, minor rounding or fuzzing of corners, roughness or chipping along edge (no layering), one VERY slight surface or "spider" crease may exist on one side of the card, gloss may be lost from surface with some scratching that does not detract from the aesthetics of the card."

S0metimes it is just jaw dropping. You must have gotten the same grader as me.