WW3 Please SAY NO!

jgannon · #1 03-06-2022, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by irv

It's amazing what some people will believe just because their T.V. screens and their corrupt gov't tells them.
I assume many have forgotten, or believe it was for the greater good, when their very own country invades other countries?

I see you've met Mike.

He is likely just upset like John Kerry is about Putin's lack of buying into the global warming scam. Couldn't believe my eyes when I seen that. Just how stupid can these dingleberries get?
How dare Putin invade another country and not be concerned about climate change!!!

"“I hope President Putin will help us to stay on track with respect to what we need to do for the climate,” Mr. Kerry added"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-invasion-di/

Hey yeah. While some of it's comical, the worst part about it is the whole idea that if you try to understand a different point of view you're called a Russian sympathizer or stooge. And of course, as I know you know, it's not just the right wing. The Dems (who I don't think you wouldn't consider to be left, as I don't) were falsely claiming over the last 5 years that Trump was a Putin puppet, when he defied them on a number of things, and have been even more guilty of it.

Interesting to see how this whole thing is going to play out. A lot of armchair warriors are calling for no-fly zones and more sanctions. The sooner a diplomatic solution to this is found the better.

Dos vidanya!

KMayUSA6060 · #2 03-06-2022, 11:21 AM

May I ask what is so harmful about questioning MSM/news in general?

jgannon · #3 03-06-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

May I ask what is so harmful about questioning MSM/news in general?

You'll be called a Russian stooge, or an anti-vaxxer, etc.

AustinMike · #4 03-06-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jgannon

You'll be called a Russian stooge, or an anti-vaxxer, etc.

You only get called a Russian stooge when you say you believe Russia's claim that they were promised NATO wouldn't expand to the east, can't provide anything to support that claim, and then say it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. They you're called a Russian stooge because you ARE a Russian stooge.

sbfinley · #5 03-06-2022, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

May I ask what is so harmful about questioning MSM/news in general?

Nothing. The entire basis of human advancement has come from questioning things.

It’s when someone question something, then ignores the it’s verifiable by things like facts, numbers, maths, primary sources, physically verifiable evidence and decides that is “fake” “mis-information” or something else they had someone read to them in coloring book I just because sigh for devolution of humanity.

That’s me though. Could be an outlier or just cynical. Either way I just wish I didn’t see dead kids daily being pulled out cluster bombed apartment buildings across Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter.

KMayUSA6060 · #6 03-06-2022, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

Nothing. The entire basis of human advancement has come from questioning things.

It’s when someone question something, then ignores the it’s verifiable by things like facts, numbers, maths, primary sources, physically verifiable evidence and decides that is “fake” “mis-information” or something else they had someone read to them in coloring book I just because sigh for devolution of humanity.

That’s me though. Could be an outlier or just cynical. Either way I just wish I didn’t see dead kids daily being pulled out cluster bombed apartment buildings across Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter.

What verifiable facts have come out about the Russia/Ukraine situation?

sbfinley · #7 03-06-2022, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

What verifiable facts have come out about the Russia/Ukraine situation?

Just gonna throw a wild guess at the wall and say thousands of things reported over the past two weeks, but if you want specifics I’ll go with “your Visa debit card won’t work at the Kremlin gift shop.” That’s a good solid one.

egri · #8 03-06-2022, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

Just gonna throw a wild guess at the wall and say thousands of things reported over the past two weeks, but if you want specifics I’ll go with “your Visa debit card won’t work at the Kremlin gift shop.” That’s a good solid one.

Or American Express. Though MasterCard and Discover might still.

sbfinley · #9 03-06-2022, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by egri

Or American Express. Though MasterCard and Discover might still.

Don’t think American Express is throughout Europe. When I was last in the UK and Ireland no one took it.

KMayUSA6060 · #10 03-06-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

Just gonna throw a wild guess at the wall and say thousands of things reported over the past two weeks, but if you want specifics I’ll go with “your Visa debit card won’t work at the Kremlin gift shop.” That’s a good solid one.

What specifically? I've heard a lot of narratives, not so much "verifiable facts".

sbfinley · #11 03-06-2022, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

What specifically? I've heard a lot of narratives, not so much "verifiable facts".

I’m not your tutor or baby sitter. If for two weeks the only coverage of the war you’ve processed is “narrative” you’re either lying, slow, or oblivious. If it’s “oblivious” I’ll point you to The Institute for the Study of War. Their daily recaps of the war are pretty sound and in depth. If it’s one of the other two I can’t help you at all. Sorry.

earlywynnfan · #12 03-06-2022, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

May I ask what is so harmful about questioning MSM/news in general?

For me, personally, nothing! Everything I read I try to weigh with logic and take with a grain of salt. For me, personally, though, you* lose me when you start saying things like "open your eyes" and "they're all lying to you" and "truth!!" and then you post clips from InfoWars. InfoWars?? The Truth??? Sure...

Ken

PS: You* is a generic somebody/you, not Kyle/you.

AustinMike · #13 03-06-2022, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

May I ask what is so harmful about questioning MSM/news in general?

There is absolutely nothing wrong or harmful about questioning MSM/news in general. In fact, I would encourage it.

It's only when you decide that everything MSM says is a lie and everything you read on Facebook or see on YouTube is the Truth that is harmful.

Then you get in a situation where you claim the US promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east, get called on it, can't provide any proof, and then say it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. You become a stooge.

AustinMike · #14 03-06-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jgannon

Hey yeah. While some of it's comical, the worst part about it is the whole idea that if you try to understand a different point of view you're called a Russian sympathizer or stooge. And of course, as I know you know, it's not just the right wing. The Dems (who I don't think you wouldn't consider to be left, as I don't) were falsely claiming over the last 5 years that Trump was a Putin puppet, when he defied them on a number of things, and have been even more guilty of it.

Interesting to see how this whole thing is going to play out. A lot of armchair warriors are calling for no-fly zones and more sanctions. The sooner a diplomatic solution to this is found the better.

Dos vidanya!

No, if you totally buy into a claim without any evidence supporting that claim and then you say it doesn't matter whether the claim is true or not, then you are a stooge. Since you are so gung-ho for the Russian claim without evidence and it doesn't really matter whether the claim is true or not, you are a Russian stooge.