Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Notice how Prince Charles, President Biden, and Dr. Fauci are roughly the same age or at least clearly in the same generation. It is a little known fact, and I will post YouTube links as soon as I find them, that in their 40s they were in the same secret elite society and actually formulated plans to take over the world and to subjugate the masses through .. wait for it … a vaccine. They got funding from certain Jewish banking families, George Soros, and Pfizer, and commenced work. Fauci worked decades at NIH just biding his time and making contacts with Chinese scientists and secretly promoting mRNA technology because it works really well to subjugate people and make money. It took them longer than they expected for it all to play out, a couple of elections didn't go as they had hoped, etc., but it's now happening before our very eyes.

Is this sarcasm?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is this sarcasm?

Do you really have to ask?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you really have to ask?

I am hoping it is, Peter. The thing is that some of Irv's posts read like sarcasm too...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I am hoping it is, Peter. The thing is that some of Irv's posts read like sarcasm too...

No, they just read like drivel lol.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Irv: let's keep it simple:

Do you feel we would have a higher or lower covid death toll if there were no vaccines?

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Do you realize that this statement is completely false? Or, let me guess, you'd prefer to call it an "alternative fact"?

How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CBC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.
Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle29354285/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...udeau-liberals

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.



How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CDC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.
Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle29354285/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...udeau-liberals

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

Since Trump was the leading force behind Operation Warp Speed, he must have been in on it too, no? Damn RINO.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

I have no idea?

No, of course not, but some are worse than others. It's of my opinion that CNN is by far the worst, with MSNBC being a close second.
Fox news is also biased, I get that, but in my opinion CNN is so far out in left field they are beyond the bleachers whereas Fox, imo, are at least still in the ball park.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

I think it's fairly well known that some of our US agencies are more liberal while others tend more conservative. And overall, averaged out, they equate to moderate. Obviously the top heads that may be more one way or the other are easily replaceable, but career bureaucrats are passionate about doing what's best.

While I don't believe in a deep state, Trump was on to something that some career bureaucrats know how to slow down new directions if they disagree with their new acting director.

Also, while I don't buy into conspiracies, don't forget that big oil also owns most green tech. And it takes an exorbitant amount of carbon and fossil fuels to make green technology. Its just propaganda to argue politicians are creating jobs.


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[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.

It is possible that case numbers and deaths would be even HIGHER if we didn't have vaccines?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

It is possible that case numbers and deaths would be even HIGHER if we didn't have vaccines?

Too bad this nationwide data is all FAKE or it might support your point. You see, "THEY" want you to believe it because it furthers "their" plans for world control. Of course, you can look at the underlying data too, it's transparent, but I am telling you the underlying data is also FAKE, every hospital that collected it is part of the conspiracy, every scientist that analyzed it is part of the conspiracy, and naturally the government is the leader of the conspiracy, so I urge you to disregard it. But just in case you're curious/brainwashed/coopted/suffering from a mass psychosis:

During October–November, unvaccinated persons had 13.9 and 53.2 times the risks for infection and COVID-19–associated death, respectively, compared with fully vaccinated persons who received booster doses, and 4.0 and 12.7 times the risks compared with fully vaccinated persons without booster doses.

An unvaccinated person was more than 50 times as likely to die from COVID as a fully boosted person during that time period.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by irv

How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CDC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.

Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?

I appreciate the reply. "Links to a certain political party" is rather vague, but a quick search reveals that current Comcast (owner of MSNBC) CEO Brian Roberts has donated five-figure sums to both Republican and Democratic politicians over the fifteen years or so. (Although more to the latter than the former.)

The outlets that you mentioned are more left-leaning than FOX, for example, but I do not believe it is accurate to describe them as "left-leaning propaganda sites." You might find it interesting to compare them to more left-leaning news outlets such as Democracy Now! ( https://www.democracynow.org/ ) , Mother Jones ( https://www.motherjones.com/ ) or The Nation ( https://www.thenation.com/ ).

You asked, "Do you believe that [news outlets] are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?"

No, they are absolutely biased and rarely, if ever, tell the whole story. I believe this is true about every single one of these sources, including the three I linked.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I appreciate the reply. "Links to a certain political party" is rather vague, but a quick search reveals that current Comcast (owner of MSNBC) CEO Brian Roberts has donated five-figure sums to both Republican and Democratic politicians over the fifteen years or so. (Although more to the latter than the former.)

The outlets that you mentioned are more left-leaning than FOX, for example, but I do not believe it is accurate to describe them as "left-leaning propaganda sites." You might find it interesting to compare them to more left-leaning news outlets such as Democracy Now! ( https://www.democracynow.org/ ) , Mother Jones ( https://www.motherjones.com/ ) or The Nation ( https://www.thenation.com/ ).

You asked, "Do you believe that [news outlets] are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?"

No, they are absolutely biased and rarely, if ever, tell the whole story. I believe this is true about every single one of these sources, including the three I linked.

I find MSNBC more left biased than CNN. Not that CNN, or anyone except the Wall Street Journal LOL, doesn't lean some way nowadays.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I find MSNBC more left biased than CNN. Not that CNN, or anyone except the Wall Street Journal LOL, doesn't lean some way nowadays.

Right. It seems to me also that the task of unpacking a perceived media "bias" nowadays is also made more challenging by changes in the way news is consumed. The motivation to generate unique page views and clicks creates its own kind of bias in a way: more "controversial" content tends to generate clicks and comments...