Asking Prices on the BST

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I observed people at a show yesterday.


Internet was slow

They'd look at cards, and say "just let me go see what its worth " and go outside to research. Many of them used psa market price or whatever.

I kept my mouth shut, but wanted to say "it worth what anyone will pay"


I've seen the sickening "bought mantle 2 days ago on Ebay. Now its double on n54" bst threads. I dont get it, but I simply pass by.

Its impossible these cards have more value than anyone could have bid last week. Assuming listed in the right category, proper title, 7 day auction, etc. Nothing has changed! Maybe fomo since one more sold, although it's the same one! I cant buy the "trusted seller" unless again it's obviously a scam. People buying washed out cards, having it graded altered, and doubling the price is ludicrous. The card sold for an altered price, not that of a reprint or fake.

Anyhow that's why I like signed cards and variations. Aside from the obvious, they truly are rare, and usually 100x more rare than their unsigned counterparts. The thrill for me is in the chase.

If I believed even half of those signatures on cards were real I might be interested.
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[Fred]

Originally Posted by Leon

If I believed even half of those signatures on cards were real I might be interested.
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With my luck, I'd get the wrong half...

At this point in time I'm shying away from a lot of signatures, especially signed cards (like T206 and '33 Goudey's). I'm to the point that I'm having a difficult time trusting contracts/documents.

What's sad is that some of those signed cards are probably authentic but with the state of this mess we call a hobby, it'll always be in the back of your mind that some butthead in Ohio inked it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

With my luck, I'd get the wrong half...

At this point in time I'm shying away from a lot of signatures, especially signed cards (like T206 and '33 Goudey's). I'm to the point that I'm having a difficult time trusting contracts/documents.

What's sad is that some of those signed cards are probably authentic but with the state of this mess we call a hobby, it'll always be in the back of your mind that some butthead in Ohio inked it.

As many have said, if you get a miss graded card you still have a card. Not so much with authenticity of signatures. I still think most of the government document types are real...and if I collected signatures there would have to be great provenance such as a picture of whomever signing the item in question.

I have been told this signature is probably real but not sure if I care, unless I go to sell it

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

As many have said, if you get a miss graded card you still have a card. Not so much with authenticity of signatures. I still think most of the government document types are real...and if I collected signatures there would have to be great provenance such as a picture of whomever signing the item in question.

I have been told this signature is probably real but not sure if I care, unless I go to sell it

Doesn't ANYONE collect cards just to have them anymore? Does it have to be all about the money? Does anyone have cards they just like, not sealed up in a block of plastic with the almighty grade and bar code so they can sell their cards based on market strategy? That is no hobby, it is business. I am not that far gone, and I will never become a card speculator. I have enough retirement strategies (U.S. Navy, Florida Retirement System, Social Security). I don't need or want baseball cards to be a nest egg. I took some of my memorabilia and cards and put it into a safe deposit box, in case of theft or hurricane. But that's as far as I go, and I can get into my box whenever. I just collect as frankly I always did, just to have and be happy with, not to worry about how rich I am going to become selling my stuff off.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Doesn't ANYONE collect cards just to have them anymore? Does it have to be all about the money? Does anyone have cards they just like, not sealed up in a block of plastic with the almighty grade and bar code so they can sell their cards based on market strategy? That is no hobby, it is business. I am not that far gone, and I will never become a card speculator. I have enough retirement strategies (U.S. Navy, Florida Retirement System, Social Security). I don't need or want baseball cards to be a nest egg. I took some of my memorabilia and cards and put it into a safe deposit box, in case of theft or hurricane. But that's as far as I go, and I can get into my box whenever. I just collect as frankly I always did, just to have and be happy with, not to worry about how rich I am going to become selling my stuff off.

I collect for the love of the cards but since I have limited resources and I can’t afford everything I want I definitely have to focus on the money when buying or selling.

[mrreality68]

I am a collector and enjoy collecting and sometimes flipping for something different or an upgrade

But sadly as the prices go up we have to watch our money more closely and be strategic on when and how to sell or flip to ensure the best for the collection and just hope it is the best for everyone to make it as close as possible to a win win.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Doesn't ANYONE collect cards just to have them anymore? Does it have to be all about the money? Does anyone have cards they just like, not sealed up in a block of plastic with the almighty grade and bar code so they can sell their cards based on market strategy? That is no hobby, it is business. I am not that far gone, and I will never become a card speculator. I have enough retirement strategies (U.S. Navy, Florida Retirement System, Social Security). I don't need or want baseball cards to be a nest egg. I took some of my memorabilia and cards and put it into a safe deposit box, in case of theft or hurricane. But that's as far as I go, and I can get into my box whenever. I just collect as frankly I always did, just to have and be happy with, not to worry about how rich I am going to become selling my stuff off.

When we don't have enough money then we need to subsidize our collections and flipping is fun. Not sure why the disdain for flippers? I love flippers and have bought tons of my cards from them. I collect first but do enjoy trying to make a buck flipping. I love the cards so why not? I guess I could go flip cars but they are so big.
This card was on the BST and a friend flipper saw it first and bought it. I paid him a few hundred dollars more for it. I was happy and he was happy. How can that be bad? I do enjoy collecting more but flipping is fun.
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[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

When we don't have enough money then we need to subsidize our collections and flipping is fun. Not sure why the disdain for flippers? I love flippers and have bought tons of my cards from them. I collect first but do enjoy trying to make a buck flipping. I love the cards so why not? I guess I could go flip cars but they are so big.
This card was on the BST and a friend flipper saw it first and bought it. I paid him a few hundred dollars more for it. I was happy and he was. How can that be bad? I do enjoy collecting more but flipping is fun.
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I understand and agree with everything you say. And you clearly are having fun, as evidenced by the many chestnuts you pull out and post. It would have to be for you to run this terrific forum along with your hobby.

BTW - I love that Mathewson!

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Leon

When we don't have enough money then we need to subsidize our collections and flipping is fun. Not sure why the disdain for flippers? I love flippers and have bought tons of my cards from them. I collect first but do enjoy trying to make a buck flipping. I love the cards so why not? I guess I could go flip cars but they are so big.
This card was on the BST and a friend flipper saw it first and bought it. I paid him a few hundred dollars more for it. I was happy and he was. How can that be bad? I do enjoy collecting more but flipping is fun.
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100% agree

[Exhibitman]

Flipping is 100% cool with me; I do it all the time. Just don't lie to another collector to get a deal. Have some respect for your fellow community members or you will quickly find yourself with a rep for being a jerk and on the outs with many potential deal participants.

Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls:
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
--William Shakespeare, "Othello", Act 3 scene 3

[bobbyw8469]

There are platforms for auctions. We have one here...the Live Auctions section of the BST. If a seller is truly unaware of the value of their item, let them list it in the Live Auctions section and the bidders will determine the value.

I once put a 1952 Topps Pete Reiser gray back on there. Think I would have gotten the fair value for it there?