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Well they are loans, aren't they? And I would think they would have something in writing and not just be handing money over to people.
Put it this way. Even if they didn't actually list interest in their loan agreements with customers/consigners, the IRS could still impute interest using the AFR for the month the loan is made, and then based on how long the loan is for. And don't go giving them ideas about bonds, or think of that as a big joke. If they're making loans for some of the large amounts people were speculating they were handing out, unless they were sitting on a huge pile of cash to make those loans, I'm guessing they're either working with a bank and have some kind of credit line or facility in place, and/or possibly have others investing in or loaning money to them (not too far fetched from your bond idea). In fact, the idea of others loaning or investing money with them actually makes more sense than them funding everything with a credit line/facility from some bank. I have no idea how well off the owners are to be able to pledge assets to be able to collateralize a credit line with a bank. Their business itself probably doesn't really have any major assets beyond possibly land and a building(s) they may own. They aren't going to be heavy with equipment, and I doubt they have any significant inventory as pretty much everything they sell or have in the vault belongs to their customers and consigners, not them. Now they will show the loans owed to them as assets, but no bank can rely on third party loans receivable like that alone as sufficient to collateralize loans then made to PWCC. Especially when the underlying assets for everything ends up being sportscards. That is not the kind of asset bankers will likely know much about, and I would definitely feel it is not the kind of assets they'd want to end up owning if the worst case scenario ever happened. So I really don't know what PWCC is doing, but would be surprised if they don't have outstanding bonds/loans held by somebody, to allow them to operate. |
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After several requests from PWCC asking for some sort of documentation showing bid history or why the "Congratulations! You've Won!" email along with requests for my PWCC "rep" to contact me, this is the email I received:
"Sorry for any concern caused. Sadly we have to honor the high bid. Please feel free to review our Marketplace Security page on our website to see the steps we have taken to secure our Auction. Please also feel free to reach out to Max and he will be happy to discuss this with you! https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/marketplace-security Robby Rittenhouse PWCC Marketplace" I have gone ahead and paid for the item given the low dollar amount and have requested that PWCC delete my account. I am not alleging fraud in this case but I do not trust their platform and found the whole process suspect. I would not recommend buying from the auctions not matter how good of a "deal" it appears to be. Just to make sure I am in compliance with forum guidelines, my real name is Jim McKinley.
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Different hobbies, different mentalities. Most of us were taught to prize originality and to reject most alterations, and to prefer differentiation according to which cards had better survived the test of time, rather than by the quality of alterations and pure looks. At some level there is an arbitrariness to it I suppose, and a new generation is free of course to reject it and to prefer the better repaired/better looking cards, but that doesn't make my ethos stupid.
As I said two plus years ago to the NY Times reporter, and I stand by it, “Originality is the bedrock of the hobby, and it all flows from there. Most people place a premium on originality and don’t want altered cards.” Were I interviewed today, I would add that there does seem to be a significant group that doesn't really care as long as the alteration isn't too obvious.
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Will disagree with this one. If a card has been pressed to a thinner card by people screwing it into a holder, it is altered/pressed. Just because that person thought they were protecting their card doesn't matter. The card is damaged, and should be treated as such. Not identifying pressed cards as altered also would obscure those cards with wrinkles or creases that are then pressed out.
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Remember they have motivation to have you leave your money in your account with them.
The Loans they give other people ( and charge interest on) And Similar to a bank they float money. So the money you keep in your account helps keep them more liquid and use those funds to help fund the loans. This way they minimize their funds required and meet all their customers needs
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Absolutely! I completely agree with you there. The screw-down damage equating to an "alteration" is a joke. How is a corner getting squished any different from an indentation elsewhere on a card's surface? And they don't even differentiate on the flip between a screw-down damaged card and a trimmed card. I also agree that the TPGs falsely advertise their abilities. I think it's mostly born out of hubris. I think years ago, they honestly believed they'd be able to catch this stuff. After all, it's not that difficult to identify a trimmed edge when someone cuts it with an Exacto knife or a pair of scissors, or even a guillotine-style office paper cutter. The BODA threads were probably a HUGE eye-opener for them with respect to the scope of this problem (or at least it should have been). If someone has the right equipment (and clearly there is no shortage of people who do) then those trimmed cards simply cannot be distinguished from a factory edge. The fact that cards are cut with blades at the manufacturers should have made this obvious, but they thought they all had eagle eyes. It's just like all the lemmings in the Blowhard threads who all think they could easily detect any trimmed card, then they all proceed to disagree about which edges were trimmed on the cards that get posted lol. Then they all say, "just measure it" as if that's actually sufficient for determining if a card has been trimmed. The reality is, it's just not that easy to detect a I don't think it's just an issue of insufficient time being spent on each card either. Sure, given more time, they'll be able to detect more trimmed cards, but you're probably talking about moving the needle from being able to detect 22% of trimmed cards to 26% of trimmed cards or something negligible like that if they had more time on each card. They could just come clean and be honest about their limitations. Just admit that it's not possible to detect a high percentage of these and that they'll just do the best they can. The problem with that approach though is that it opens up the door to more of this behavior and fast tracks it to being more widely accepted. I think they want to see if they can still detect it. That's partly what they were hoping for when they acquired Genamint. But it's a fool's errand. The reason these cuts cannot be detected is because there simply isn't a difference there to detect. It's like cutting a piece of paper in two places with the same pair of scissors and then handing it to someone else and asking them to tell you which cut was made first by examining the cuts with a ruler and a jeweler's loupe. It would be interesting to run an experiment where we sent in large quantities of different cards, each with various alterations to each of the TPGs to see what they were able to detect and then analyze the results. I wouldn't even be surprised if the majority of alterations actually get through at every single TPG. It'd be interesting to run an experiment with the forum members too. Especially over at Blowhard where seemingly everyone thinks they could easilty catch this stuff. You could post a 20 card test, half of which have been expertly trimmed and the other half not. Ask them to identify which cards have been trimmed and on which edges, but don't tell them how many are untrimmed, just post all 20 cards blind. They'll say every single card was trimmed and the edges they identify would probably be nearly chosen at random. |
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I don't think that is really true because first off, they're not a bank. Banks have unbelievably strict federal and state rules and requirements they must adhere to and abide by to do what they do. And I doubt they have anything like that in place without it being public knowledge. Plus, by doing what you're saying it would put them at extreme risk if they suddenly had a lot of customers want their money back. Banks, at least federally licensed ones, can normally get short term loans from the Federal Reserve Bank to cover such cash needs/shortfalls. That option isn't available to them. Now they do have the possibility of obtaining loans through a credit line or other credit facility they may have with their own bank, but that is probably going to require such loans to be collateralized. And trust me. no U.S. bank is ever going to consider funds they're holding for their customers/consigners that they themselves don't own or have any legal right to as acceptable collateral for making a loan to them. I think the holding of funds is more along the same idea they take advantage of with the vault. Someone holding something in their vault will likely just consign it back to them to sell should they ever decide to sell it. It is easier and convenient for the seller/consigner as they don't really have to do anything. And the same kind of goes for them just holding the cash for someone they just sold something for. Now if that same seller/consigner who's money PWCC is holding sees something that PWCC is selling for someone else and buys it, they can just tell PWCC to pay for their purchase with the funds they'd been holding for them. Can have various reasons people would choose to do this. The simple ease of doing it (laziness), the fact that someone likes the idea of keeping all their card collectiing activity and financing of it separate from their other finances and activities (similar to how many people keep separate investment/retirement accounts), or how about so the spouse doesn't know about it, and so on. In any event, I think they may do this to try and keep people spending their money in their auctions/sales. PWCC gets their main income from sales commissions, and the vault and holding people's funds for them can help to keep consignments and customers flowing to their site and sales, and away from Ebay and other AHs/online sellers. No factual hard evedence, but I think it does make the most logical sense as to why they may be doing it. Last edited by BobC; 10-31-2021 at 06:17 PM. |
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To me there is an obvious simple solution - they have all these different "altered" designations - just add it to the "altered" slab so everyone can see the alteration they are claiming - just the way they do numeric grades. Altered - trimmed, altered - colored, altered - sat in a screw down too long, etc.
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Regarding the previous posts about where they ship your cards once you pay for them..........
Based on a post I read here last month, I changed, with their chat system help, my default address (or so I thought), and had the cards I won sent to me. I got them with no problem. Well, this month, I bid on, and won one card (a card that I never even knew existed, for one of my Top-4 favorite players). I just went and paid for it, and afterward, realized that the price paid was the basic bid. I guess this means my one $14 card is now going into my non-existent/never used vault "account". So, take this as a warning....... If you bid and win, and you want to actually get your winnings sent to you, you apparently need to specify that fact EVERY SINGLE MONTH, with EVERY SINGLE PAYMENT! Apparently, you cannot just change it once, and have that set as the default; it will always default back to the vault. Personally, I feel that this it far too much of a hassle, to have to repeat it every single time you pay for something. Steve
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It is kind of like collecting old coins or currency. A $100 silver certificate is actually still worth $100 straight up if you actually went to use it at a store. A $1 silver certificate would only be worth $1 at the store. So you already had a built in price differential just from the value of the currency itself. Plus, fewer $100 silver certificates are likely still around as compared to $1 ones, so you'd also have a rarity factor adding to the collectible value difference.
And casino chips were just a substitute for actual money used by the casinos that originally issued them. So like actual currency, you'd expect fewer large denomination chips to have been created than those of lower denomination chips, and thus expect fewer larger denomination chips would still around today. One huge difference between chips and currency is that when a casino closed, the chips they issued would lose their intrinsic monetary value since you couldn't cash them in for money anymore. But at the same time, someone wanting to keep a momemento from a Vegas trip would be much more likely to hang on to a $10 chip than say a $!,000 chip. So the rarity of higher value chips from closed casinos surviving till today was further enhanced. Not cashing chips in before a casino closed would be like throwing money away. Interesting fact. Back when gambling and casinos were pretty much only legal in Neveda, I believe it was the state's commission that oversaw all the in-state casinos and somewhat monitered the chip production. As such, each and every chip issued by all the Neveda casinos had to have a completely unique chip pattern and/or color scheme. That was another way back then to help insure you couldn't take chips from one casino and get away with using them at another. Since they've opened up gambling and casinos pretty much around the entire country, not sure if there is some national register still requing this for all casinos now. I'm guessing the casinos nowadays at least clearly mark their names, and probably locations as well, on their chips to differentiate them from those of all other casinos. Last edited by BobC; 11-23-2021 at 04:02 PM. |
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It’s not some hidden option. It’s literally a check box that you select that is highly visible on the invoice page. It’s easier to click than when you have multiple shipping addresses on PayPal. I know everyone hates PWCC justifiably but whining about THIS makes no sense to me. |
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Go to your marketplace account. Change address. Confirm address change. Then when you get an invoice, you will have the main selected option of the vault (like everyone) and directly below that you will have the box with your address that it can be shipped to. I’ve bought 4 different invoices worth of stuff over the last two auctions. At no point did I have to change my address, talk to customer service etc. |
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My mailing address in my marketplace account is correct! The "submission address" (whatever that is) is the vault. There is no way to change that. I tried to "edit vault account", but it does not give me the option of changing the submission address; it only allows you to change the mailing address (which as I said, is correct). I'm looking at it as I'm typing this. Also, when I have gone in to pay my invoice, from the invoice page, it DOES NOT give me the option to change any address. That is why I had to contact PWCC through their chat system to figure out what was going on. They are the ones who told me the only way to do it, is by going into one of the auction lots I won, and clicking on the mailing address instead of the vault. PWCC is also the ones who told me that this has to be done EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU PAY! So I stand by what I said previously. Steve
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I think this is likely true of all the major consignment companies. There are simply far more total card sales on ebay in recent months than ever before. The entire hobby continues to grow. But yes, I'm sure much of PWCC's volume went to Probstein.
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You 100% do not have to change address every time you pay for something, item by item, to not send it to the vault. Edit - Like I’ve said before, when you look at your marketplace account…you will see your “submission address” which is the default shipping option which is the vault. Directly below that is your mailing address. It shows this exactly the same way on the invoice…so you just check the mailing address box and it is shipped to you. Last edited by notfast; 11-26-2021 at 06:44 AM. |
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