ebay finds that PWCC engaged in shill bidding?

[ullmandds]

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

[Carter08]

Jim Nonkes: I definitely spoke with a rep who seemed to know what I was talking about. I could see another rep not having a clue though.

[Jersey City Giants]

meant to replay to someone, fixing it

[Jersey City Giants]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

Nope I am not lying that they said it was not their email. However, this was just a service Rep who called me back (I did not click the link in the email I went straight to eBay's site in the Help section as I was unsure if it was a real email or not - it took them ~35 min to call me back). She said eBay would not out a member (buyer or seller) in a mass email. That being said, she had not heard about anything so was just reacting to what I told her I received. Hope that helps.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Jersey City Giants

Nope I am not lying that they said it was not their email. However, this was just a service Rep who called me back (I did not click the link in the email I went straight to eBay's site in the Help section as I was unsure if it was a real email or not - it took them ~35 min to call me back). She said eBay would not out a member (buyer or seller) in a mass email. That being said, she had not heard about anything so was just reacting to what I told her I received. Hope that helps.

This.....it makes no sense. Sounds more like a disgruntled card collector with an axe to grind. I had some experience with some of those on the PSA boards many years ago. They are out there.

[JollyElm]

Two things:

1. I can't believe how many collectors here buy things from these scum merchants.
2. If they truly become 'vanished,' what's going to fill up all the space dedicated to screaming about them every day on net54???

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Two things:

1. I can't believe how many collectors here buy things from these scum merchants.
2. If they truly become 'vanished,' what's going to fill up all the space dedicated to screaming about them every day on net54???

1. and openly admit it
2. Dont worry we will find something

I didn't get the email but I can proudly say I don't ever remember buying anything from PWWC.

Since I have seen a serious lack of cards in this thread. Here is my favorite Tim Carroll cut card art work.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by bnorth

1. and openly admit it
2. Dont worry we will find something

I didn't get the email but I can proudly say I don't ever remember buying anything from PWWC.

Some of us can only aspire to have such blanket moral superiority and ironclad discipline.

Maybe someday!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

Some of us can only aspire to have such blanket moral superiority and ironclad discipline.

Maybe someday!

It's only in cards, life is much different.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Guess ebay has built up enough business over the past 18 months that they can now do w/o PWCC's $150M/yr in sales. Ebay is clearly in the driver's seat to dump one of their largest "clients" like this....their stock closed at over $75 yesterday, but was down 3% today. My guess is that it will rebound tomorrow. Ebay's stock price in March 2020 was around $30.

My guess is that this was not a move ebay could afford to make just 15 months ago.

[buymycards]

Quote ) As one of the world’s largest marketplaces, eBay has policies in place to protect our buyers and sellers. eBay was founded on trust, and we work every day to ensure a fair and positive experience for the entire eBay community.
Recently, it was determined that individuals associated with a trading card seller, PWCC, have engaged in “shill bidding,” which is prohibited on eBay. As a result, eBay has restricted PWCC’s selling privileges and listings, effective today. eBay’s policies and standards were designed to ensure a trusted marketplace where our community can transact with confidence. If we determine that a buyer or seller is not acting in good faith, eBay takes this seriously and takes action. Our customer service team will work directly with anyone who has a question about a recent PWCC transaction [link].

eBay is the destination for buying and selling trading cards - built over 25 years with our passionate community of collectors and sellers, as partners, on that journey. Trust is the cornerstone of eBay, which is why we felt it was important to share this information with our community. We assure you that eBay will continue to take actions to deliver on our commitment. (Quote)

This statement from eBay is hilarious. It is coming from a company that allows tens of thousands of fake cards to be listed and sold, and from a company that allows bidders to have 100's of bid retractions, and from a company that allows scammers to cheat buyers and sellers of sports cards.

Shutting down one company is a step in the right direction, but they have a long way to go if they want to regain our trust.

[bobbyw8469]

Now PWCC seems to be proactively closing listings out too!! Darn it!!! I was trying to get that Bird rookie PSA 9 for $50k!

[tessiepants]

I called eBay earlier today and just got this email:

Hello Kevin ,

Thanks for reaching out to Concierge Support regarding the email that you received about the purchases from seller pwcc_auctions and

pwcc_vault. We are more than happy to help clarify what has happened.

The seller is no longer allowed to sell on eBay. When something like that happens we remove all listings and bids. If the items show as being shipped you are still covered if you do not get the items. You can open a case just like you normally would if the item does not arrive after the estimated delivery date.

So as a high value buyer who has made a large purchase with the seller, we are notifying you due to the seller no longer being active on eBay. For security and privacy reasons, I am not able to tell you why the seller’s listing was removed or why the seller is no longer an active eBay seller. The email we sent is meant to reinforce our commitment to create a fair and trusted marketplace for all members. No action is required on your part.

However, like I stated If there is any issues with the items that have already been purchased and you need some help with buyer protection cases please let us know and we will be here for you.

Please feel free to reach out to us with any questions or concerns you may have. Thanks again for allowing the Concierge Support Team the opportunity to assist you.

Thank you,

Clark

eBay Concierge Support

[BobC]

Interesting timing, just got duplicate emails from Goldin offering free lifetime "vault" submissions if consigning to them.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Now PWCC seems to be proactively closing listings out too!! Darn it!!! I was trying to get that Bird rookie PSA 9 for $50k!

You done good...They would have bid you up to 100K Private shill bidding you the trimmed card anyway. You were lucky

[Golf History]

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blo...ePfPjaqu0zxCXY

[Jersey City Giants]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

This.....it makes no sense. Sounds more like a disgruntled card collector with an axe to grind. I had some experience with some of those on the PSA boards many years ago. They are out there.

What makes no sense? I didn't trust the initial email (in other words I was worried it was a scam and didn't want to follow the link). Hence, I went right to eBay's site to have them call me back (the safe way to do it). I was called back in just over a half hour. The Rep had not heard about the email and told me that in all her years there eBay had not "outed a seller or buyer like that." She then told me it was (in her view) a fake email. Of course now we know it was real. My guess is that eBay did not inform all their reps.

I have zero ax to grind. I am not blaming the rep but will blame the job eBay did in getting the info out internally.

[MINES_MINT]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sure seems curious that some people that claim to have spoken to ebay told them this message did not originate from them...while others say the oposite?

Someone's lying?

No idea. I relayed what I was told. Someone in the eBay customer service department making a mistake when they spoke to me would not surprise me though.