T206 Honus Wagner SGC 3 What is the Over/Under

[ZenPop]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Nice, lots of good memories at Slims and Bimbos365, I would have bid on that card.

Ha ha... Yeah. Slim's and Bimbos are fantastic places to see a show.
Bimbos especially feels like you're walking into the past.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

WOW

For a Rare card there are alot of T206 Wagners coming up for auction

I just received an email from SCP Auctions that their next auction will include a T206 Wagner PSA Authentic

More To come

Before pic


"The card was branded Authentic/Restored by PSA primarily because of some creases that were touched up in the background of the card, which is otherwise completely original"

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...d-t206-wagner/

[darwinbulldog]

I'm not sure the touched up creases are the main issue with that one.

[atx840]

Broke 4 million

[Johnny630]

(Restored)

Since when has PSA been slabbing with that statement ?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by atx840

Before pic


"The card was branded Authentic/Restored by PSA primarily because of some creases that were touched up in the background of the card, which is otherwise completely original"

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...d-t206-wagner/

Not that I could ever afford one
But I actually do not like it "restored" to me that means altered and it also means it is not original anymore
I actually think the look of the card prior to the restoration has more character.
But I guess for the money that it will go for it is about the eye appeal

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by atx840

Broke 4 million

Wow.

$4Million plus Buyers Premium of $800K

already at $4.8 million

sooner than I thought in the auction time frame

[Joe_G.]

19th bid placed, officially over $5M with BP ($5,046,954).

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Not that I could ever afford one
But I actually do not like it "restored" to me that means altered and it also means it is not original anymore
I actually think the look of the card prior to the restoration has more character.
But I guess for the money that it will go for it is about the eye appeal

I agree, looked better before. Looks fake now.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

19th bid placed, officially over $5M with BP ($5,046,954).

Over 5M with 5 Days to Go.

Will be interesting it being this close if it will set a new record.

The Clock is ticking down

[fkm_bky]

These prices for the Wagner are crazy! Here's a bit more history of the card.

I found this the other day in an old card album of mine from the 80's.

I hope you found this education valuable. There seems to be a lot of questions around the scarcity, but this pretty much answers them all

Bill

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Over 5M with 5 Days to Go.

Will be interesting it being this close if it will set a new record.

The Clock is ticking down

It's all but guaranteed. There are a ton of bidders and who knows when a Wagner in 3 or above will come to auction again?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by soxinseven

It's all but guaranteed. There are a ton of bidders and who knows when a Wagner in 3 or above will come to auction again?

You are right. Not only is it a Wagner but I relatively high grade Wagner with a nice look to it.
That plus the # of bidders and that the increments are I believe $200K per bid it will jump fast on that final day.
Like Sharks to a Feeding Frenzy

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

You are right. Not only is it a Wagner but I relatively high grade Wagner with a nice look to it.
That plus the # of bidders and that the increments are I believe $200K per bid it will jump fast on that final day.
Like Sharks to a Feeding Frenzy

Bumped to $5.3M with the BP today. With 2 days to go, $6M+ seems inevitable.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

6 million before extended bidding. There's a couple guys waiting in the weeds who don't want to push it any higher any earlier than they have to. They have to get their first bids in before extended starts

[RedsFan1941]

customers of yours? lol.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I wish!

[mrreality68]

Well it is now past $6 million ($5.1 mill plus $1 mill buyers premium)

And still has 2 days before extended bidding.

There could be a real feeding frenzy

The Race to the sky begins

[Snowman]

$7.75 million is my over/under line

[iwantitiwinit]

The increase in wealth and number of individuals that are considered super wealthy in just the US has skyrocketed over the past year. Personally I don't think previous sales figures offer any true insight into what this card will sell for. I'm going to say this card eventually sells for 12-15 million with bp and wouldn't be surprised to see the high end of the range.

[uniship]

I agree I think the sky is still the limit on this card today. It could sell for what it’s at right now around $6 million but in my opinion if I were a gambling man I would bet that this card sells for north of $10 million today.

[chriskim]

The winner of this card will come forward and use the card as an advertising vehicle promoting their businesses.

I would be more interested to see what's the next modern card in line will break this record within weeks. (These modern cards transaction never need to be validated..... or no parties would disclose those big deals if they don't follow thru)

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by chriskim

The winner of this card will come forward and use the card as an advertising vehicle promoting their businesses.

I would be more interested to see what's the next modern card in line will break this record within weeks. (These modern cards transaction never need to be validated..... or no parties would disclose those big deals if they don't follow thru)

I am always hopefully whatever card set's the new price record/standard that it will be a vintage Card.

I do not like Modern Cards that are intentionally made with limited quantities or 1 of 1 or whatever to artificially create the limited supply to drive up the price

[chadeast]

Someone just put in another bid 15 minutes before the start of extended bidding. I'm starting to believe that this could get to 8 figures, though my guess now is $8M with the BP.

[53toppscollector]

$5.5M final bid.

[Jdoggs]

Ended at $6.6 million including buyers premium.

[mrreality68]

Lower than I thought it would sell for
Think that is the new record

[Rhotchkiss]

Considering a psa 3 sold for $3.25mm less than a year ago… I think $6.6mm is one hell of a result

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Considering a psa 3 sold for $3.25mm less than a year ago… I think $6.6mm is one hell of a result

Agreed, though this one looks nicer than the PSA 3 to me. The consignor is undoubtedly very happy with the result.

[chriskim]

Technically no fight in extended period. A bit of disappointment in terms of hoping to see a bidding war.

Really wished it would go higher, $6.6M is easy to break.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by chriskim

Technically no fight in extended period. A bit of disappointment in terms of hoping to see a bidding war.

Really wished it would go higher, $6.6M is easy to break.

You are right a disappointment would have been a little fun in an odd way to see it go up.

But Great ROI by the Consigner and wonder how long before the next Wagner pops up.

Seems every other auction recently one comes up

[Jcosta19]

SCP has a PSA authentic (Restored) in their coming Fall auction.

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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Jcosta19

SCP has a PSA authentic (Restored) in their coming Fall auction.

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Wow. Makes it seem that they are not that rare anymore with them popping up this often.
Even though we know that it is these collectors cashing out at these Current High prices

[Arazi4442]

Pretty solid final price. Like some of you, I thought there might be a small bidding war in extended time. That would have been fun.

I still think a nice BN Ruth could push eight figures

[Republicaninmass]

Some frequent departures from reality here.


May they win the lottery months before my cards go for sale.

[profholt82]

ESPN posted an article about it today:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...goat-always-be

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Considering a psa 3 sold for $3.25mm less than a year ago… I think $6.6mm is one hell of a result

Ryan, I agree with you. Should I be congratulating you re this new centerpiece to your incredible collection?

[Jobu]

I had the over/under at $7.5 million, which is less than a lot of people here were thinking. With this being one of the nicer Wagners out there, it would seem that the buyer did pretty well, especially considering that, to my knowledge, the price of a Wagner has never gone down (which obviously doesn't mean that that trend will continue forever.)

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Considering a psa 3 sold for $3.25mm less than a year ago… I think $6.6mm is one hell of a result

If this had been graded by PSA instead of SGC, would it have gone for even more? Look at the difference between the 52 Topps Robinsons that were also in the REA auction. The PSA 8 went for more than double the SGC 8.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ryan, I agree with you. Should I be congratulating you re this new centerpiece to your incredible collection?

Ha. No Val, not me.

Jay, I can’t tell if your post is sarcastic, but the Wagner may have gone for more in a psa slab, although I doubt it- I think buyers of a t206 Wagner are buying the card not the slab

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ha. No Val, not me.

Jay, I can’t tell if your post is sarcastic, but the Wagner may have gone for more in a psa slab, although I doubt it- I think buyers of a t206 Wagner are buying the card not the slab

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Given the difference in prices seen for PSA vs SGC, I am curious if people think a PSA slab would have made any difference in price for a Wagner. I doubt it would have been double like the Jackie, and I agree with you that buying a Wagner is probably more about the card, but I would think a PSA slab would have seen a higher price just because PSA usually seems to.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by jayshum

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Given the difference in prices seen for PSA vs SGC, I am curious if people think a PSA slab would have made any difference in price for a Wagner. I doubt it would have been double like the Jackie, and I agree with you that buying a Wagner is probably more about the card, but I would think a PSA slab would have seen a higher price just because PSA usually seems to.

i do not believe it would make 1 bit of difference. I mean PSA did grade the gretzky wagner...their first ever graded card...and they got that one wrong?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i do not believe it would make 1 bit of difference. I mean PSA did grade the gretzky wagner...their first ever graded card...and they got that one wrong?

True, but it hasn't seemed to hurt the price, at least not yet.

[53toppscollector]

If the winner wanted to cross it over to PSA, it would only cost $10,000 and if you paid $6M for the card, that seems pretty trivial.

I don't imagine you'd want to get out the old pliers and crack it out yourself, so you'd have to just hope it crosses over directly to a PSA 3

Has anyone done any investigative work to determine which Wagners were cracked/crossed over and what the true population is?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

If the winner wanted to cross it over to PSA, it would only cost $10,000 and if you paid $6M for the card, that seems pretty trivial.

I don't imagine you'd want to get out the old pliers and crack it out yourself, so you'd have to just hope it crosses over directly to a PSA 3

Has anyone done any investigative work to determine which Wagners were cracked/crossed over and what the true population is?

Agreed about not wanting to crack that case.
No idea about any cross overs

[ginter]

(Clipped from - Courier-Post newspaper - Camden, New Jersey -
21 March 1931) - WAGNER LIKED HIS BASEBALL - If Honus Wagner were 30 years younger would he be able to get as much out of baseball as Babe Ruth does? Hans wasn't much, of a go-getter in that respect. Even 25 years ago he had opportunities to "cash in". Can you remember back to those days when cigarette manufacturers included in each pack of cigarettes a picture of either a famous actress or some sports star. - They offered a Pittsburgh newspaper man $10 to get the permission of Wagner, Hans didn't wish to see the newspaper man lose a chance to make an extra, ten, but he objected to selling his picture to further the sale of a cigarette. - So instead of permitting his picture to be used, he gave the newspaper man ten dollars out of his own pocket, and told him to forgot it. Had Honus been as good a business man as 90 per cent of the present day diamond stars, he wouldn't have needed any coaxing to "muscle in" on anything and everything that brought in a few shekels. Instead, he placed the game above a few paltry dollars.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by ginter

(Clipped from - Courier-Post newspaper - Camden, New Jersey -
21 March 1931) - WAGNER LIKED HIS BASEBALL - If Honus Wagner were 30 years younger would he be able to get as much out of baseball as Babe Ruth does? Hans wasn't much, of a go-getter in that respect. Even 25 years ago he had opportunities to "cash in". Can you remember back to those days when cigarette manufacturers included in each pack of cigarettes a picture of either a famous actress or some sports star. - They offered a Pittsburgh newspaper man $10 to get the permission of Wagner, Hans didn't wish to see the newspaper man lose a chance to make an extra, ten, but he objected to selling his picture to further the sale of a cigarette. - So instead of permitting his picture to be used, he gave the newspaper man ten dollars out of his own pocket, and told him to forgot it. Had Honus been as good a business man as 90 per cent of the present day diamond stars, he wouldn't have needed any coaxing to "muscle in" on anything and everything that brought in a few shekels. Instead, he placed the game above a few paltry dollars.

smoking gun!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Still 20 years after the fact. That gun hadn't been smoking for a long time.

[profholt82]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

If the winner wanted to cross it over to PSA, it would only cost $10,000 and if you paid $6M for the card, that seems pretty trivial.

I don't imagine you'd want to get out the old pliers and crack it out yourself, so you'd have to just hope it crosses over directly to a PSA 3

I don't think a PSA or SGC holder makes any difference when it comes to the Wagner though. With most other cards, yeah, generally the PSA will sell for more, but the Wagner is above that.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by ginter

(Clipped from - Courier-Post newspaper - Camden, New Jersey -
21 March 1931) - WAGNER LIKED HIS BASEBALL - If Honus Wagner were 30 years younger would he be able to get as much out of baseball as Babe Ruth does? Hans wasn't much, of a go-getter in that respect. Even 25 years ago he had opportunities to "cash in". Can you remember back to those days when cigarette manufacturers included in each pack of cigarettes a picture of either a famous actress or some sports star. - They offered a Pittsburgh newspaper man $10 to get the permission of Wagner, Hans didn't wish to see the newspaper man lose a chance to make an extra, ten, but he objected to selling his picture to further the sale of a cigarette. - So instead of permitting his picture to be used, he gave the newspaper man ten dollars out of his own pocket, and told him to forgot it. Had Honus been as good a business man as 90 per cent of the present day diamond stars, he wouldn't have needed any coaxing to "muscle in" on anything and everything that brought in a few shekels. Instead, he placed the game above a few paltry dollars.

Interesting piece of history