The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[paul]

Originally Posted by packs

Can anyone name one good thing you can’t do anymore? People are obsessed with calling out cancel culture but what have you lost in anything that’s happened? That is a sincere question. What is lost by changing the name of a baseball team that clearly mocked its source? What is lost in monuments to Confederate traitors? What’s lost in respecting people’s identities? I truly am curious as to what it is you feel is so important to hold onto in any of these modern changes?

It isn't just Confederate statues that have been torn down. When the statue toppling craze was at its height, statues of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglas came tumbling down. Lincoln's sin was that he supposedly wasn't good to Indians. I'm not sure what the rationale was behind Frederick Douglas.

[packs]

I don't know if it's the statue you're referring to but the Lincoln issue I'm aware of had to do with a statue depicting a kneeling slave before him. I think there might be a better way to convey the same historical impact.

I also heard about a Frederick Douglas statue that was removed in Rochester but it's removal was an act of vandalism. Again, not sure that's the story you're referring to.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by paul

Lincoln's sin was that he supposedly wasn't good to Indians.

He also explicitly stated that black people were inferior to whites and said he would gladly keep slavery if that would save the Union. He said he was opposed to "bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races." While serving in Illinois, he supported laws that barred black people from voting or serving on juries or interracial marriage.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Tabe

He also explicitly stated that black people were inferior to whites and said he would gladly keep slavery if that would save the Union. He said he was opposed to "bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races." While serving in Illinois, he supported laws that barred black people from voting or serving on juries or interracial marriage.

In college I had to read a book titled "Lincoln Reconsidered". A very interesting read and insight into Lincoln's thinking and true nature. Would have been very interesting to see how history would have turned out had Lincoln not been assassinated. By Booth and his fellow Confederate associates doing so, they basically fired up the abolitionists and anti-Southerners in the Norther states, and in the government, and gave them more than enough ammunition to push forward their more extreme anti-Southern views and legislation, and possibly change how the ex-slaves were to be treated. If I remember correctly, it seemed that Lincoln was going to push for sending the freed ex-slaves (and any already free blacks living in the Northern states) back to Africa. Believe he already had support in Congress to do so, and money set aside to assist with re-colonization of freed slaves to Liberia I believe. His assassination ended that possibility though. Also seem to remember that his Emancipation Proclamation was not entirely about just freeing the slaves, but was really more of a warning and punishment to the Southern states that if they didn't stop their rebellion, he would declare the slaves free so the Southern states couldn't continue to keep them as slave labor.