Warning: SGC - A Factory Miscut = Miscut = "A" Grade

[tedzan]

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[obcmac]

I think SGC got it mostly right. A number grade should indicate standard dimensions for the card. So T201s or T202's with the wavy cut should all be "Authentic". The problem is that they don't distinguish between authentic and altered. These are all unaltered, but I don't think they should have number grades. The t206 is tougher...but looks like an unusual left border (though it's hard to tell from scan. The issue is particular annoying in t207s as well where unusual factory cuts garner lots of A's.

Mac

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted is right. It's also a great strategy to get some really nice high value cards at a fraction of their value. But you gotta know what to look for.

[Rich Klein]

I believe Glyn is the only one who has posted on this thread who has actually graded cards for a TPG so I'd like to hear more of why he believes that. Perhaps it is supposed to be a policy, and if so, that makes a ton of sense.

Rich

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I believe Glyn is the only one who has posted on this thread who has actually graded cards for a TPG so I'd like to hear more of why he believes that. Perhaps it is supposed to be a policy, and if so, that makes a ton of sense.

Rich

It might be ok for the worker bee as he/she is following orders....but, If the policy is wrong, in it's decision, it doesn't make it ok because it's a policy.
I acquired a stack of W575-1s, 20 cards including these 4, with the pack they came in. They were spot on in size when I had them, on a table, in a stack and flush. No hand cuts.
SGC told me on the phone it was their policy to put hand cut even though they knew these were NOT hand cut. I even sent the package they came in with them. They told me to have people call them and they would tell them they weren't hand cut. And that makes sense?
Actually, the only W575-1s that are hand cut are trimmed. They weren't issued in strips or hand cut. They were put in packages, I believe. These were given out in a package as a prize for a membership drive.

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[steve B]

SGC- Where competence went to die.

Never mind policy, if the new clueless kids you hire to eliminate backlog can't remember simple stuff like "AB backed T206s were mostly cut narrow at the factory" they shouldn't be grading cards. Not at $75 each, not at $25 each.. they should not be grading at all.

[edhans]

Conceding Mac's point on the Street, I agree that it's not really possible to determine if the card is altered from the OP's scan. I'll amend my statement-if the Street is determined to be unaltered, it would have qualified for a number grade until (apparently) very recently. If, in fact, there has been a change in SGC's standards, I continue to maintain that their clients and the hobby in general are owed a vastly more detailed explanation than the self-serving, three sentence reply they gave Cliff. There are tens of thousands of off center and miscut cards with number grades in the holders of all the companies. How will the market react to this change? Do such cards lose significant value, since they'll now be AUT only? Or do SGC A cards that may qualify for a number grade in other company's holders get a bump in value?

At the end of the day, all these TPGs are self-appointed experts. There is, of course, no governing body or universal standards to which these entities or their employees are accountable. Obviously they are free to establish their own standards, policies and procedures. But to attempt to impose their standards on the hobby (or industry, if you prefer) seems to me somewhat akin to Brent Huigens' attempt to foist his own definition of "conservation vs. alteration" on us a couple years ago. One company or individual simply does not have the right to dictate to everyone else how hobby material should be viewed.

I will admit to a good deal of anger when I read statements such as "Our graders are the foremost experts in the industry". Do these include the graders who passed millions of dollars worth of altered cards? Not singling out SGC here by any means. I actually think they're far more competent than any of their rivals (which may not be saying very much). Sad to think that many of the same people that missed so many butchered cards may be training the future generation of graders. And there are hundreds of people (i'm not one of them) who have more expertise in their little pinkie than the vast majority of graders at any of the companies have in their entire selves.

Sorry for the long rant. Now back to your normal programming...

[kaddyshack]

Hi Cliff, I just got this back from SGC. I think I got the last of the $25 submission fees.

[obcmac]

I do agree that the w575 grades are baffling...doesn't look hand cut to me.