FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

back and forth with Jackie at PSA over email. They are refusing to negotiate a market price before I send in the card. Reached out again directly to Steve to see if I can resolve. more to come...

Why do I get the feeling this isn't going to go smoothly?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why do I get the feeling this isn't going to go smoothly?

Sounds like they are wanting to pay market price from last summer.

[Griffins]

Why not just drop it off, it's 45 minutes away.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Why not just drop it off, it's 45 minutes away.

If they'd let me do that, I would be all for it. I'd still want to know what value they'd be placing on the card before they evaluate it. Once it's in their hands, I've lost all negotiating power.

[bigfish]

Wouldn’t you be happy be getting back what you paid or slightly more than you paid for the card originally to end all this drama?

Also, Jackie at Psa is fantastic.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by bigfish

Wouldn’t you be happy be getting back what you paid or slightly more than you paid for the card originally to end all this drama?

Also, Jackie at Psa is fantastic.

You would be happy with that outcome? I know I wouldn't. He would never be able to replace that card in that grade in today's market with what he paid for it in July. I doubt he would even be able to get a PSA 3 for what he paid in July.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bigfish

Wouldn’t you be happy be getting back what you paid or slightly more than you paid for the card originally to end all this drama?

Also, Jackie at Psa is fantastic.

Rhetorical question I assume, obviously AJ would not be happy with that at all.

[Johnny630]

Let’s face it guys would he have bought this card if it wasn’t in a PSA holder? I would guess no he bought it because it was in a PSA holder we all know the market resale value of a PSA holder slabbed card. To me PSA hast to back this up and pay you a fair market value, I believe they will. Keep the faith and let’s see if PSA makes this right I think that they will.


One thing is troubling...If this card was trying to be sold and the seller knew that it had issues I don’t really care for that again though I have no idea what anyone knew what anyone didn’t know but if the card is deemed altered PSA has to make you right.

The argument I would pound home If you have to battle this out would be I bought the card because it was in a PSA holder the market knows it’s strong resale value growth and appreciation when you buy a card graded in there slab you buy it with that assurance that the card is authentic unaltered and proper.

I believe the real battle is going to be what is a fair market value for this card? May go to an arbiter I don’t know ��*♂️

It always comes down to the money, on both ends is the juice worth the squeeze ?

[irv]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

If they'd let me do that, I would be all for it. I'd still want to know what value they'd be placing on the card before they evaluate it. Once it's in their hands, I've lost all negotiating power.

Very true, and because of that, I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to do it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

Sounds like they are wanting to pay market price from last summer.

If the card could have been returned last summer, maybe that has some logic to it? Or can you just sit on an altered card, hope it goes up, then expect PSA to pay for the appreciation?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If the card could have been returned last summer, maybe that has some logic to it? Or can you just sit on an altered card, hope it goes up, then expect PSA to pay for the appreciation?

Had the card gone down in value it would've been to the advantage of PSA.

If he'd been compensated last summer he could've then gotten an unaltered Jackie and realized the same profit.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Had the card gone down in value it would've been to the advantage of PSA.

If he'd been compensated last summer he could've then gotten an unaltered Jackie and realized the same profit.

But PSA wouldn't have funded it. A buyer would have.

[samosa4u]

Reading this thread just makes me feel so happy that I picked up my PSA 4 Leaf Jackie RIGHT BEFORE the pandemic. I remember the seller wanted like five to a thousand dollars more, and instead of arguing with him, I just gave him the money. I remember him telling me "listen, this card is going to be worth ten grand one day - you hear me?" I thought to myself "yeah ... and that will probably be in ten years!" Instead, it happened in like ten weeks! LOL!

Anyhow, anyone who chops up a Leaf Jackie should have his d*ck chopped off instead!

[jad22]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Reading this thread just makes me feel so happy that I picked up my PSA 4 Leaf Jackie RIGHT BEFORE the pandemic. I remember the seller wanted like five to a thousand dollars more, and instead of arguing with him, I just gave him the money. I remember him telling me "listen, this card is going to be worth ten grand one day - you hear me?" I thought to myself "yeah ... and that will probably be in ten years!" Instead, it happened in like ten weeks! LOL!

Anyhow, anyone who chops up a Leaf Jackie should have his d*ck chopped off instead!

With all the money they have made they could buy a gold one to replace it.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

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Anyhow, anyone who chops up a Leaf Jackie should have his d*ck chopped off instead!

I know everyone always assumes that the chop happens for the purpose of deceiving a grader and getting a higher number flip, but that's NOT always the case. In fact, I think it's why some of the trimmed cards make it into a holder.
They juuuust make it inside size tolerances and the edges aren't 'fresh'.
Someone long ago, a kid, a collector looking for it to fit inside a display, made a decision to slice and dice but age has since hidden some of that obvious alteration.

It's kind of like the new video replay rules we see in sports.
If you can't be sure it's been trimmed, then it's unfair to guess that it was in all likelihood but not without doubt.

Of course this doesn't apply necessarily to the Jackie or some other obvious trimmed cards like below, but sometimes what's posted and postulated to be trimmed may pass the standard inspections TPG's use to make their call.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why do I get the feeling this isn't going to go smoothly?

right!