1952 Bowman Mantle...this current bidding can't be real, can it?

[Johnny630]

$15,900 last night

$40k plus two weeks ago

We all know which one is a real value and which one is fairytales

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

$15,900 last night

$40k plus two weeks ago

We all know which one is a real value and which one is fairytales

The one last night was a 5 in a 7 holder. An actual 7 would sell much higher. I would never buy a 7 with 3 damaged corners.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Originally Posted by rats60

The one last night was a 5 in a 7 holder. An actual 7 would sell much higher. I would never buy a 7 with 3 damaged corners.

I think they are really comparable. Agreed that last night's corners are touched a little more. But the $40K one has a rougher left edge.

Here they are for all to judge. The one on the left sold for $15K. The one on the right sold for over $40K (allegedly).

I'd rather have the one on the left and an additional $25K in my pocket.

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[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

I think they are really comparable. Agreed that last night's corners are touched a little more. But the $40K one has a rougher left edge.

Here they are for all to judge. The one on the left sold for $15K. The one on the right sold for over $40K (allegedly).

I'd rather have the one on the left and an additional $25K in my pocket.

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In my opinion the one on the left is way worse, a couple bad looking corners and top to bottom centering, the one on the right to me is much better but not at $40,000 plus no way.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

I think they are really comparable. Agreed that last night's corners are touched a little more. But the $40K one has a rougher left edge.

Here they are for all to judge. The one on the left sold for $15K. The one on the right sold for over $40K (allegedly).

I'd rather have the one on the left and an additional $25K in my pocket.

Attachment 442708

Disagree. The corners aren't touched, they are missing. If the 15k is a real sale then 40k is more than fair for a card 2 grades better. I would take the nicer card everytime, though I think they are both over priced.

[GasHouseGang]

This was tough to get but I tried to capture the top and bottom up close detail from the ebay listings. It's the only real way to examine the corners, edges, and surface. Here is the top and bottom detail of the card that sold for $15.6K and then the top and bottom detail of the card that sold for $42.6K.

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Man, you guys are TOUGH graders I guess I'm expecting a card graded a 7 to have some noticeable imperfections (which is why it's not an 8, 9, or 10).

I honestly view them as much closer to equal. I can obviously see the corners are better on the $40K card...but you guys seem to be giving the rough edge on the expensive card a free pass. Also, those imperfections do stand out more in the hi def auction scans because they are huge. In real life, at roughly 2 x 3 inches, I would still consider those corner touches and not missing corners.

But this friendly disagreement brings to light how that first card could have realistically gotten to 40K.

Let's say three of us were in the market for an SGC 7 Bowman mantle. BOTH cards would meet that criteria for me...and I would bid up to a certain amount for each.

But it sounds like I would be the ONLY one of us bidding on the cheaper card...while you guys battled it out for the other one.

With that lens, maybe the $40K was indeed a real sale.

[dio]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

Man, you guys are TOUGH graders I guess I'm expecting a card graded a 7 to have some noticeable imperfections (which is why it's not an 8, 9, or 10).

I honestly view them as much closer to equal. I can obviously see the corners are better on the $40K card...but you guys seem to be giving the rough edge on the expensive card a free pass. Also, those imperfections do stand out more in the hi def auction scans because they are huge. In real life, at roughly 2 x 3 inches, I would still consider those corner touches and not missing corners.

But this friendly disagreement brings to light how that first card could have realistically gotten to 40K.

Let's say three of us were in the market for an SGC 7 Bowman mantle. BOTH cards would meet that criteria for me...and I would bid up to a certain amount for each.

But it sounds like I would be the ONLY one of us bidding on the cheaper card...while you guys battled it out for the other one.

With that lens, maybe the $40K was indeed a real sale.

Agree

[GasHouseGang]

I actually agree with you John. The other thing everyone is REALLY hung up on is centering. I like a card centered, but I'm not OCD about it and not willing to pay 10 times as much for a slightly better centered copy. But that's just me.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

Man, you guys are TOUGH graders

but you guys seem to be giving the rough edge on the expensive card a free pass. Also, those imperfections do stand out more in the hi def auction scans because they are huge.

Actually, it's hard to say because lighting of a room can play significantly when taking a photo, but I think the cheaper card has dirtier white edges. The bottom scans look much whiter, which would give me the impression that the cheaper card has more surface wear / imperfections.

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by thatkidfromjerrymaguire

...but you guys seem to be giving the rough edge on the expensive card a free pass.

The card came out of the pack with that edge, so that's probably why the market "ignores" it. I like rough cuts (OPC.......mmmmmm), so I'd always rather have the $40K one, although not for more than 1.3333 x the other one.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

This was tough to get but I tried to capture the top and bottom up close detail from the ebay listings. It's the only real way to examine the corners, edges, and surface. Here is the top and bottom detail of the card that sold for $15.6K and then the top and bottom detail of the card that sold for $42.6K.

Are the bottom corners really 7 quality on the first one? Both have pretty noticeable dings.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by rats60

The one last night was a 5 in a 7 holder. An actual 7 would sell much higher. I would never buy a 7 with 3 damaged corners.

It did suck compared to the 40,000 plus one, that being said the 7 last week was still not worth $40,000 plus.