Most overrated baseball superstar ever?

[philliesfan]

name 1 player that trier harder...………..Pete Rose.

[mcgwirecom]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

name 1 player that trier harder...………..Pete Rose.

I agree, Charlie Hustle! He willed himself to be the player he was. Was not blessed with as much skill as most HOFers but got there on his own.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

name 1 player that trier harder...………..Pete Rose.

I have had that discussion with a fellow member and long time friend a few times. We always agree they both gave it all.

[Jim65]

Nolan Ryan

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Nolan Ryan

I completely agree. His stats stink. Beyond over rated. I don't care how fast he could throw. I don't care that he played for some crummy teams. A lot of pitchers did and they still had great stats.
324 wins and 292 losses. Pretty close to being a 500 pitcher. I guess that would be average. 27 years in the majors.

[carlsonjok]

Going to throw out some bait: Lloyd Waner

Career WAR of 27.9 ties him for 931 on the career WAR list and is the lowest ranked HOFer in the list of top 1000 players.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Going to throw out some bait: Lloyd Waner

Career WAR of 27.9 ties him for 931 on the career WAR list and is the lowest ranked HOFer in the list of top 1000 players.

Lifetime .316 average. Not too shabby.

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Lifetime .316 average. Not too shabby.

I wonder what the league average was for career. His career OPS was 99.

[EvilKing00]

Jeter , way over hyped. no power, no speed - he stayed healthy and accumulated a lot of hits. yea hes a hof but boy, hes very over rated

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Frank A

I completely agree. His stats stink. Beyond over rated. I don't care how fast he could throw. I don't care that he played for some crummy teams. A lot of pitchers did and they still had great stats.
324 wins and 292 losses. Pretty close to being a 500 pitcher. I guess that would be average. 27 years in the majors.

I would agree that Ryan's a bit overrated-he walked too many batters for my taste.

But please tell me that you're not using win-loss record as the basis for your comment. Nolan Ryan was, objectively, the best pitcher in the National League in 1987. Led the NL in ERA (2.76), ERA+ (142) and FIP (2.47). He struck out a league-leading 270 batters at age 40, finished 5th in the Cy Young, and finished with an 8-16 record.

He probably should have won the Cy Young. FIP shows he was the best pitcher at controlling the things only a pitcher can directly determine themselves. He outpitched teammate Mike Scott across the board, and Scott was 16-13. If Ryan had finished with that record, he wins the award. Steve Bedrosian ended up winning it with 40 saves. Rick Sutcliff, Rick Reuschel and Orel Hershiser finished ahead of him, and Dwight Gooden tied him. He outpitched them all.

By your logic, Ryan was below average because he had a .333 winning percentage.