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Last year I spent a lot of my time looking at the 150's and 350's. Since we are on the 350's subject, there's a couple things that stand out. The first thing is Demmitt NY, O'Hara NY, and Lundgren KC keep popping up as odd cards but I get it since they were all team changes. The other 4 cards that share a similar print run are Byrne, Cross, Mowrey, and Rossman. 5 of the 7 cards share the "No CB, EPDG, OM, PB" but they also have no AB, BL, CY, DR. The second thing is there are 136 Polar Bears in the 350 Print Group. 2 of them being Demmitt and O'Hara STL. By using the 12 card row, some of them would have been possibly double printed or short printed. 11 different sheets would equal 132 cards. Would they have made a 12th sheet for the other 2 cards and double print 10 other cards, or short print the 11th sheet to add the last 2 cards and make 4 short print cards. Then after some time, maybe replace 2 of those 4 short prints with the Demmitt and O'Hara to make 2 super short prints? Just a crazy thought.
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Ron - Uncle Nacki T206 Master Monster Front/Back Set Collector - www.youtube.com/unclenacki T206 Basic "The Monster" Set 514/524 T206 Advanced "Master Monster" Front/Back Set ????/5258 COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28 NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Polar Bear 245/250 Sovereign 460 50/52 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34 Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11 |
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T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS
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Ron I seldom (if ever) differ with you; however, my research places the St Louis variations of Demmitt and O'Hara in the 350/460 series print group. I note this in Post #134 in this thread. Apparently, American Litho (ALC) started their first press run of the PB cards circa Summer of 1910. This 1st print run of PB backs was on approx. 136 subjects of the 350-only series. Followed by the 2nd print run (circa Summer/Fall of 1910) of PB backs on the 66 subjects of the 350/460 Series. It's my contention, that ALC printed the Demmitt and O'Hara St Louis variations in this PB press run. Check-out my concept of a 72-card sheet arrangement* of the Sovereign 66 subjects (apple-green backs) which I like to refer to as the "phantom 350/460 series". Consider the following...… Joe Doyle & Bob Rhoades (POLAR BEAR No-Prints) retired prior to this POLAR BEAR press run. So, those 2 guys are removed and replaced by Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis) variations. v------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------v Joe Doyle v (below Cobb) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------^ Rhoades ^ (above Wilhelm) I arrived at this theory by comparing Pop Report data of Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis) variations with subjects in the 350 series vs the 350/460 series. The population numbers overwhelmingly suggest that the Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis) variations fit in with the 350/460 print group numbers. * Note I have shown the 6 super-prints Double-Printed on this arrangement because several large surveys have indicated as such. TED Z . |
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Replacing Doyle and Rhoades with the STL cards for the Polar Bears is a possibility. But what about Simon Nichols Batting? That card always ends up in my odd pile when breaking these sheets down. Plus its the most difficult Polar Bear, possibly more rare than the STL's. Also, have all Sovereign Apple Greens with names on the top and bottom been different names? I thought that only happened in the 150 series.
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T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS
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Hi Ron Regarding the Nichols card. Jantz Morey (GOD Bless his soul) and I shared theories about this "350/460" subject 12 years ago. At that time, Jantz and I were the only ones that (that we knew of) who had this Nichols card with a POLAR BEAR back. Jantz was working on a POLAR BEAR run, and clued me in as to how tough this Nichols card was. Furthermore, Nichols' AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) and DRUM cards are quite rare. And I base this on Nichols early MLB retirement in the Spring of 1910 (the A's traded him to Cleveland). My theory says ALC replaced Nichols with Jake Stahl during these print runs (circa Summer of 1910). Check-out this story in Post #39 in this thread. TED Z . |
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T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS
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I received two emails this week from T206 POLAR BEAR (PB) collectors who (like most of us) had difficulty finding their T206 Nichols / PB cards. Nichols (batting) Pop report data (PSA+SGC) shows 14 cards graded. There is no way of knowing how many of these cards are re-graded ones. Anyhow, when compared with the other 65 subjects with PB backs in the "350/460" series, the Nichols / PB cards were obviously short-printed, as the following Pop report data (PSA+SGC) examples indicate...….. HOF Bender (no trees)= 129 Cobb (with bat) = 225 Crawford (bat) = 169 Jennings (one hand) = 115 Jennings (one hands) = 102 Mathewson (dark cap) = 225 Commons Bradley (bat) = 67 L. Doyle (bat) = 91 Elberfeld (fielding) = 88 Leach (cap) = 96 Street (catching = 88 My Nichols / PB is not a pretty looking T206 (with its Tobacco stains); nevertheless, it's no worse than some of my other POLAR BEAR's. . TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 02-02-2020 at 10:53 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Here's a couple of mine.
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Ron - Uncle Nacki T206 Master Monster Front/Back Set Collector - www.youtube.com/unclenacki T206 Basic "The Monster" Set 514/524 T206 Advanced "Master Monster" Front/Back Set ????/5258 COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28 NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Polar Bear 245/250 Sovereign 460 50/52 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34 Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11 |
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More Nichols PB
Here are my two Nichols PB cards; I’ve owned 3. Agree that it is a very challenging front/back combo for a Polar Bear set collector.
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