Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

[Johnny630]

At this point who believes PSA is not in on this at some level ???

Nothing will change....I’ve said this before they have a Teflon Non Stick Business.

PSA, Auction Houses, Major Dealers, and EBay sellers/ consigners will continue to make money hand over fist it’s all
Baked in.

People Are Hooked and Brainwashed by the slab/registry...altered or not it doesn’t Matter once it’s in a holder.

Nothing is going to change many don’t know, wanna know or care. It will blow over like it always has.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

At this point who believes PSA is not in on this at some level ???

IMHO only a complete fool and it has been that way for a very long time. It is fun to watch all the people who make tons of $ off their slabs make excuses. Especially since most of them are in on "it".

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by bnorth

IMHO only a complete fool and it has been that way for a very long time. It is fun to watch all the people who make tons of $ off their slabs make excuses. Especially since most of them are in on "it".

Yes you’re right sir they do !!! They know it’s a racket.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

Jake, I'm not sure what's more appalling: your lack of legal knowledge or your inability to comprehend written English. You literally have the legal knowledge of someone who has watched two episodes of Matlock. Why don't you tell us again how the FBI should start making arrests in order to further their knowledge of the card alteration scam.

Peter S. and I were actually wondering if you even have an office. And I don't mean your mom's house. Ever wonder why not a single attorney on Net 54 agrees with anything you say? I'll give you a hint why: it's because you are merely incompetent on your best day.

As for Peter Chao, you're probably the last person who should be denigrating him as his IQ is probably double yours. I mean really -- you have the balls to suggest Peter Chao isn't intelligent? You can't even put together a full sentence. Your work desk is the same one you studied for your Bar Mitzvah on.

PS I'm assuming insults are allowed now that you seem to have changed your tune on them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jake, I'm not sure what's more appalling: your lack of legal knowledge or your inability to comprehend written English. You literally have the legal knowledge of someone who has watched two episodes of Matlock. Why don't you tell us again how the FBI should start making arrests in order to further their knowledge of the card alteration scam.

Peter S. and I were actually wondering if you even have an office. And I don't mean your mom's house. Ever wonder why not a single attorney on Net 54 agrees with anything you say? I'll give you a hint why: it's because you are merely incompetent on your best day.

As for Peter Chao, you're probably the last person who should be denigrating him as his IQ is probably double yours. I mean really -- you have the balls to suggest Peter Chao isn't intelligent? You can't even put together a full sentence. Your work desk is the same one you studied for your Bar Mitzvah on.

PS I'm assuming insults are allowed now that you seem to have changed your tune on them.

Peter S. has spoken, I mean Peter C. (I stand corrected) You seem to have a great interest in my life

Why dont you say again how all of this involves cards under $10,000.00 so who cares...ill pull the quote for you.

plus are you insinuating i a a jew. (comment about bar mitzvah) Lets not get into the religious talk when its about card board. Yes the context does not look bad, but still, not sure why a high priced attorney would try his great wit even touching a religious theme.....and it doesnt matter what affiliation you are...you shouldnt go there..

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Peter S. has spoken, I mean Peter C. (I stand corrected) You seem to have a great interest in my life

Why dont you say again how all of this involves cards under $10,000.00 so who cares...ill pull the quote for you.

plus are you insinuating i a a jew. (comment about bar mitzvah) Lets not get into the religious talk when its about card board. Yes the context does not look bad, but still, not sure why a high priced attorney would try his great wit even touching a religious theme.....and it doesnt matter what affiliation you are...you shouldnt go there..

Jake, can you try English? "are you insinuating i a a jew." Did you have a stroke while writing this? And as for being a Jew, I'm damn proud of it, it's no insult from me. The suggestion that you are still working out of your mom's house though I noticed you ignored.

[calvindog]

Finally, if you're so upset about this purported non-scandal -- you claim that it's not a big deal because no lawsuits have been brought -- why don't you bring one on behalf of the many victims who have surely flocked to you due to your posts which reflect your legal acumen? Surely by now many victims who have lost more than 10K on trimmed cards would have called your mom's house looking for you.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Finally, if you're so upset about this purported non-scandal -- you claim that it's not a big deal because no lawsuits have been brought -- why don't you bring one on behalf of the many victims who have surely flocked to you due to your posts which reflect your legal acumen? Surely by now many victims who have lost more than 10K on trimmed cards would have called your mom's house looking for you.

I am not in the inner circle like you. You said yourself that who wouldnt sue for cards that are valued at $10,000 or less insinuating that there were no card trimming issues over $10,000.

Then a bunch of new cards showed up and you were quiet until now. You also said the Gehrig card was being 'taken care of'

We can only go on what you say. All you appear to do is bully and call names

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Finally, if you're so upset about this purported non-scandal -- you claim that it's not a big deal because no lawsuits have been brought -- why don't you bring one on behalf of the many victims who have surely flocked to you due to your posts which reflect your legal acumen? Surely by now many victims who have lost more than 10K on trimmed cards would have called your mom's house looking for you.

Apparently no one lost more than 10k according to you. My thoughts were everyone is satisfied/not worth suing so its a non issue.

You said the scandal has rocked the hobby. Yet zero lawsuits has been my point. You have not disputed that no lawsuits have been filed.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jake, can you try English? "are you insinuating i a a jew." Did you have a stroke while writing this? And as for being a Jew, I'm damn proud of it, it's no insult from me. The suggestion that you are still working out of your mom's house though I noticed you ignored.

You could of said 'do you still work on your grade school desk?' May of been better insult than touching on religion. A lot of other ways to say it as well. Just saying

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

Completely gratuitous post Jake, had nothing whatever to do with my post about the extent to which BODA is likely to be able to out altered cards which it turn was a response to a question. You took a shot at Jeff with the Peter C. reference so you clearly wanted to invite yet another round, why I don't know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Completely gratuitous post Jake, had nothing whatever to do with my post about the extent to which BODA is likely to be able to out altered cards which it turn was a response to a question. You took a shot at Jeff with the Peter C. reference so you clearly wanted to invite yet another round, why I don't know.

Eh, he as well as YOU have called me that and he was the original instigator on this and was first on this thread to invoke this name. If he didnt think he was Peter C, why would he care. If its such an insult not to be said, why did he call me that. (i dont view it as insult to me because i am not him but maybe he does which 'invited another round'

is that one of the 20 insults he was referring too?...how many insults from him do you think he made about me? Let me guess, he didnt insult me at all, however saying Peter C. thats fighting words...lol

As far as the $10,000 issue, i brought it up many times, its not like hes scared to post a defense, he never corrected me. He also disappeared when new cards with issues over $10,000 were outed.

However. I never corrected him about living on my mom's couch either though...so let me deny that one ..though i dont think its a bad thing, all depends.

So, ok he agrees there many cards with issues over $10,000.00. There was a mentioning of small claims and too much time and effort to sue so i thought the point was there was not enough value for whoever made those points.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Eh, he as well as you have called me that and he was the original instigator on this and was first on this thread to invoke this name. If he didnt think he was Peter C, why would he care.

is that one of the 20 insults he was referring too?...how many insults from him do you think he made about me? Let me guess, he didnt insult me at all, however saying Peter C. thats fighting words...lol

Jake...I don't think you were even on this board back in the era of Peter C...but I can assure you Lichtman bears no resemblance to him in any way shape or form...so you calling him this just to provoke him is ridiculous.

And this back and forth is useless and a waste of everyone's time...take it off board if you want to continue this nonsense.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Jake...I don't think you were even on this board back in the era of Peter C...but I can assure you Lichtman bears no resemblance to him in any way shape or form...so you calling him this just to provoke him is ridiculous.

And this back and forth is useless and a waste of everyone's time...take it off board if you want to continue this nonsense.

I didnt call him that to provoke him. He invoked his name first, why dont you call him out for that. I called him that after he called me that.. Yet it invokes him? I have no resemblance to Peter C either i assume

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

I agree that BODA has done an outstanding job and that the problem is vast rather than isolated. Meanwhile PSA is still playing the fiddle while the hobby is burning up in smoke.