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09-01-2019, 11:49 AM
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Gone with the stain
How long has this been "going-on" without ever even being talked about?
Richard "Dick" Towle AND his wife and son Altering cards before our very eyes without a mention. After this they all get slabbed for us to buy. www.gonewiththestain.com Please post and admit it if you did not know this was "going-on" so we can give you a Rookie hazing. He is a very nice guy so no one will roast him here I bet. Michael J Durrett 
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09-01-2019, 11:53 AM
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09-01-2019, 11:53 AM
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If you do a search, you will find some old threads on this topic.
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09-01-2019, 12:22 PM
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Since you are being quite the instigator lately why don't you tell us how long it's been going on? I am sure there is more ancient dirt you can dig up too if you keep trying.
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09-01-2019, 12:27 PM
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This is where Peter should come in with the lyrics to How Long.....
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09-01-2019, 12:47 PM
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09-01-2019, 12:49 PM
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09-01-2019, 01:08 PM
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I am hoping someone will say this is news to them so we can see what a Michael Rookie Hazing looks like
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09-01-2019, 01:12 PM
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Pretty sure everyone knew about this - cept for Beer Gut
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09-01-2019, 01:24 PM
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Sorry.
It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads. Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said! Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?
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09-01-2019, 01:31 PM
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We did not say Towle isn’t bad. Not at all.
And we aren’t jumping on the new guy. Your flavor for posting just seems to be rooted in instigation. Please correct me if I am wrong. And we are in a time where there is a colossal amount of negativity. It would be nice to see more content that isn’t. Just my thoughts.
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09-01-2019, 01:33 PM
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09-01-2019, 01:46 PM
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09-01-2019, 06:05 PM
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Having spoken to Mr Towle in the past, he is a nice guy.
Whether you agree with his business or not is personal preference. As others have commented, there are numerous threads to review and comments to read to help guide and lead you down a path. MD do you feel the same about ones who soak a card, because some on the forum have done so.
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09-01-2019, 06:33 PM
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From the webpage..
"Most recently we have developed a process to remove postage stamps from old albums and letters." Yes, it's called soaking, and typically involves … wait for it.... soaking the stuff in water. OR if you want to save the letter but sell the stamp (sometimes a foolish move as they can be worth far more together) Some humidity. Like a closed plastic box and a bit of very hot water. And it's been accepted practice since probably 1840-41, when the first stamps were sold.
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09-01-2019, 08:13 PM
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He said "Dick"
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09-01-2019, 11:06 PM
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Towle does not catch as much flak due to the level of transparency. He announces what he does to the world. simple as that
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09-02-2019, 05:22 AM
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For a minute...
I thought with the title with was BigBeerGut's farewell. Guess we can only hold out hope!
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09-02-2019, 11:01 AM
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Stop running your mouth Republican!
Several people have told me your a real tool
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09-02-2019, 11:14 AM
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09-02-2019, 12:27 PM
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09-02-2019, 01:14 PM
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I know that GWTS's chemical treatments to remove signatures from baseballs is easy to identify under blacklight. And, in fact, on their website they themselves detail this.
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09-02-2019, 01:31 PM
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* New to the website but didn't research the topic. * Didn't know other threads have gone into detail on this. * Didn't know how to look up old threads (in spite of search button) who should get the hazing? As far as GWTS goes, it's rightfully controversial, but I'd hardly say criminal. They disclose the work they do, and, in some cases, even point out how to detect the work. To me, I disagree with some of it and I am OK with other parts. If I give them a page from a victorian album and they soak some T206's off of it, I hardly see that as a problem. We were meant to be able to hold the cards and view the backs (that's why they put advertising on them).
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09-02-2019, 01:33 PM
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I have no objection to soaking cards out of albums, and probably other minor stuff he does.
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Why Moser is worse than Towle, is because he is trimming cards and adding colors. Where Towle is just removing things that shouldn't have been on the card in the first place, Moser is deceiving people in a major way. Trimming to sharpen corners is a definite no-no. Same goes for adding colors to cards.
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09-02-2019, 03:52 PM
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I've sent them like 6 pairs of my boxer shorts.
All have come back like new. I couldn't be happier with his service.
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-- PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head PSA: Regularly Get Cheated BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern SGC: Closed auto authentication business JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC Oh, what a difference a year makes.
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I don't think Towle is malicious, or as malicious, as Moser, but here have been complaints and concerns, including on this board, that Towle's creations get into holders. So your question is not without a worthy point. There can be different intentions but with the same bad results. Personally, I'm of the philosophy that, no matter what the reason or intent, cards that have been worked on should be permanently marked to identify them. And if you innocently restore a card but do not make that clearly known, that is a problem and a fault. However, I also know that much of Towle's work is easily identifiable-- and even he has said so. As I noted earlier, he himself showed how some of his work can be identified under blacklight. Last edited by drcy; 09-02-2019 at 05:12 PM.
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He takes out creases. He has touted his success. Anyone want to defend that?
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09-02-2019, 05:20 PM
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People generally use the product on lower grade cards and turn them into higher grade cards. Does anyone feel that is ethical?
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If I had been able to think of any way to prove it was in the pack like that, I'd have bought it. But I couldn't think of anything. (He got a new pack for free from the dealer, and the card went in the trash. ) I do have a card related scrap from classic, which is the bit of paper from between the cards. That also came put of a pack.
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While Towle discloses what he does, it needs to carry to the card owner to provide full disclosure. This is where problems begin and deception.
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