Gone with the stain

[Leon]

Since you are being quite the instigator lately why don't you tell us how long it's been going on? I am sure there is more ancient dirt you can dig up too if you keep trying.

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

How long has this been "going-on" without ever even being talked about?

Richard "Dick" Towle AND his wife and son

Altering cards before our very eyes without a mention.

After this they all get slabbed for us to buy.


www.gonewiththestain.com

Please post and admit it if you did not know this was "going-on" so
we can give you a Rookie hazing.

He is a very nice guy so no one will roast him here I bet.

Michael J Durrett

[ALR-bishop]

This is where Peter should come in with the lyrics to How Long.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

This is where Peter should come in with the lyrics to How Long.....

Sorry I am not dignifying Mr. Towle and his chemicals and crease removal with any lyrics.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

This is where Peter should come in with the lyrics to How Long.....

Haha, you're quoting ACE. Saw them open for 10cc in Berkeley many moons ago.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Leon

Since you are being quite the instigator lately why don't you tell us how long it's been going on? I am sure there is more ancient dirt you can dig up too if you keep trying.

Agreed. This appears to be Mr Big Beer Guts modus operandi. Very helpful
Eric Recker, per the rules.

[ALR-bishop]

I am hoping someone will say this is news to them so we can see what a Michael Rookie Hazing looks like

[toledo_mudhen]

Pretty sure everyone knew about this - cept for Beer Gut

[BigBeerGut]

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

[iowadoc77]

We did not say Towle isn’t bad. Not at all.

And we aren’t jumping on the new guy. Your flavor for posting just seems to be rooted in instigation. Please correct me if I am wrong.

And we are in a time where there is a colossal amount of negativity. It would be nice to see more content that isn’t. Just my thoughts.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

Who said Towle Clan is not? Just told you 30 mins ago he is banned here!

Hold me back - I might start talking on mid-70s disco.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Who said Towle Clan is not? Just told you 30 mins ago he is banned here!

Hold me back - I might start talking on mid-70s disco.

If I recall the song has the line, I ain't quite as dumb as I seem. Hmmm...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

Maybe you should read the threads before concluding anyone is resigned. If nothing else read my posts and tell me I am resigned.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe you should read the threads before concluding anyone is resigned. If nothing else read my posts and tell me I am resigned.

I would need a lifetime.

MD

[lowpopper]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

Towle does not catch as much flak
due to the level of transparency. He
announces what he does to the world.

simple as that

[Republicaninmass]

For a minute...

I thought with the title with was BigBeerGut's farewell.


Guess we can only hold out hope!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by lowpopper

Towle does not catch as much flak
due to the level of transparency. He
announces what he does to the world.

simple as that

Many people using his services do so ultimately to deceive. That he discloses in general terms what he does is a so what to me. His business is still based largely on helping people improve the appearance of cards in order to sell them deceptively.

I have no objection to soaking cards out of albums, and probably other minor stuff he does.

[OldOriole]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

Hmm,

* New to the website but didn't research the topic.
* Didn't know other threads have gone into detail on this.
* Didn't know how to look up old threads (in spite of search button)

who should get the hazing?

As far as GWTS goes, it's rightfully controversial, but I'd hardly say criminal. They disclose the work they do, and, in some cases, even point out how to detect the work. To me, I disagree with some of it and I am OK with other parts. If I give them a page from a victorian album and they soak some T206's off of it, I hardly see that as a problem. We were meant to be able to hold the cards and view the backs (that's why they put advertising on them).

[drcy]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Sorry.

It is true I am new and just saw this Towle guy and his website. I guess I just did not know you all were resigned to the existance of this sort of person. Sorry did not know there were threads from the past did not even know you could search for old threads.

Fine jump on the new guy at least my heart is in the right place! CRIMINALS operating before our faces and we buy the product back like Tyler Durden said!

Why is the Moser guy bad but Towle is not ?

I don't think Towle is malicious, or as malicious, as Moser, but here have been complaints and concerns, including on this board, that Towle's creations get into holders. So your question is not without a worthy point. There can be different intentions but with the same bad results.

Personally, I'm of the philosophy that, no matter what the reason or intent, cards that have been worked on should be permanently marked to identify them. And if you innocently restore a card but do not make that clearly known, that is a problem and a fault.

However, I also know that much of Towle's work is easily identifiable-- and even he has said so. As I noted earlier, he himself showed how some of his work can be identified under blacklight.

[Peter_Spaeth]

He takes out creases. He has touted his success. Anyone want to defend that?