1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by midwaylandscaping

PSA needs some heat on their A $$. They are either willfully and blissfully ignorant in their grading to let so many big time, big dollar cards that are fraudulent hop-skip-jump through the grading process -or- they , or more specifically a couple of rogue graders, are complicit in this whole mess.

I'll sign that comment and add contact info if need be as I will stand behind my comment and feelings on the matter and don't give a Sh*t. $25k of fraud on the Musial, that was already a great card!!. That's outrageous and every collector who loves this hobby should be completely furious with this.

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I do not see enough evidence to be convinced any fraud was committed in this case. Definitive statements like this are not fair to the owner of this card, or to the owners of some of the other cards in question. It may turn out this card was altered and it might not. But just as in more serious real life situations a false allegation can do more damage than can be fixed if it's later determined there was no evidence to support the charge.

Imagine if you spent a few thousand, or tens of thousands on one of the cards listed on these threads and it turns out nothing was done to the card. How difficult do you think it will be to sell it down the road?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I do not see enough evidence to be convinced any fraud was committed in this case. Definitive statements like this are not fair to the owner of this card, or to the owners of some of the other cards in question. It may turn out this card was altered and it might not. But just as in more serious real life situations a false allegation can do more damage than can be fixed if it's later determined there was no evidence to support the charge.

Imagine if you spent a few thousand, or tens of thousands on one of the cards listed on these threads and it turns out nothing was done to the card. How difficult do you think it will be to sell it down the road?

Pretty damned easy, as long as it still resides in a PSA holder, and is presented to the collecting herd of sheep via auction or on eBay.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I do not see enough evidence to be convinced any fraud was committed in this case. Definitive statements like this are not fair to the owner of this card, or to the owners of some of the other cards in question. It may turn out this card was altered and it might not. But just as in more serious real life situations a false allegation can do more damage than can be fixed if it's later determined there was no evidence to support the charge.

Imagine if you spent a few thousand, or tens of thousands on one of the cards listed on these threads and it turns out nothing was done to the card. How difficult do you think it will be to sell it down the road?

Seriously? The card was sold twice by PWCC in the period of 7 months. First time to a proven card doctor and one of PWCC’s biggest buyers / consignors. Second time the card ends up in a 10 grade with what appear to be alterations. Or at minimum, photoshop scans. Buyer asks PWCC about the card and they claim NO knowledge on provenance. Buyer buys card and 2 weeks later send it back due to concerns.

Ya, nothing to see here, prob just a misunderstanding.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought he sent it back just recently, he bought it last year.

[MULLINS5]

I want to know more about the restoration business Brent had/has. Is it a current business or something he ran in the past? All starting to make sense now.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I want to know more about the restoration business Brent had/has. Is it a current business or something he ran in the past? All starting to make sense now.

In the e-mail Betsy sent me, she wrote that PWCC is dealing first with the cards that are obviously trimmed, colored and had corners built up. If some cards were "clearly altered," why were the cards being sold without disclosing the information?

I am not an attorney, and I am not pretending to be one, but isn't that fraud?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

In the e-mail Betsy sent me, she wrote that PWCC is dealing first with the cards that are obviously trimmed, colored and had corners built up. If such things were "obvious" why were the cards being sold without disclosing the information?

Every time either of them speaks.... but what she may mean is it's now obvious in light of the before and after pics which are not evidence.