Any interest in a pricier piggyback sub?? - WE ARE LOGGED IN! - POPPED!!

[swarmee]

Maybe you should put future submissions on hold until this scandal has worked out. This one should still go because you've already accumulated the cards. Or if you want to return them, I will cover your shipping back to their owners ungraded.

[tonyo]

I cut n pasted this quote from another thread:

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I find it ironic how worked up some are in this thread and yet some of those commenting are putting together a PSA group submission on the main page of the site.

Regarding the group sub:
I'll admit I'm naive, have never submitted a card, am participating in said group submission for the first time, haven't read most of the posts regarding the current scandal...........

Check me if I'm wrong: isn't the current issue with PSA in them not detecting doctored cards? Personally, I'm submitting 5 cards, 3 of which were pulled from packs I purchased, 1 was given to me by a friend in my childhood of the 70's, and the 5th was actually purchased raw on ebay maybe 5 to 10 years ago. So, i know 3 of these weren't doctored, 1 very very highly unlikely doctored, and the 5th probably not doctored. Plus, I'm not expecting high grades on any of them.

I suppose the concern would be: PSA either goes under or loses all credibility, thus any cards in their holders loses at least partial value solely due to being in a PSA holder ?

Or is the reason the quoted post questions the group sub more along the lines of "why are folks giving money to PSA at this point in time"

Honest questions, would love to hear multiple views specific to making current submissions.

I considered not participating due to the current state, but have decided to proceed anyway based on what i wrote a couple of thoughts above.

[swarmee]

Both reasons, tonyo.

[bobbyw8469]

Or is the reason the quoted post questions the group sub more along the lines of "why are folks giving money to PSA at this point in time"

I think this is the crux of it. The way I look at it is this. I know I am not trimming cards and adding colors. I am not turning 4's into 9's. Yes, I agree PSA has a problem with catching certain alterations. But I DO NOT think they were complicit in things the way a few others were. Am I not supposed to ever get cards graded again because of the shenanigans of a few fraudsters? Should I just leave the hobby entirely, because the whole thing is corrupt???

[bobbyw8469]

That would be like me not going to my gym because a few members there take steroids. I don't know. I am following all these threads with great interest. I wonder if PWCC would take a fall because of the new allegations?? Or if everything will be "business as usual". I do know the upcoming month or so should be very interesting.

[bobbyw8469]

If you sent any, let me know.

[bobbyw8469]

Ttt - last call!!!

[bobbyw8469]

We are logged in!

[cubman1941]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

We are logged in!

Yea!!! Now the wait begins again.

[bobbyw8469]

I just got an interesting email about my still using PSA to grade cards. I do not appreciate such belittlement of my opinion to still use them. I know I DO NOT TRIM/RECOLOR cards myself!!! Why should I be made hostage for a few scammers who are attempting to become millionaires due to fraud (Thanks Gary Moser!)?? As much as a select few want to belittle me, PSA cards DO INDEED SELL FOR MORE than their graded counterparts. To try and chastise honest submitters is unbecoming and not warranted.

[calvindog]

Pretty sure they’ve already become millionaires, Bobby.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I just got an interesting email about my still using PSA to grade cards. I do not appreciate such belittlement of my opinion to still use them. I know I DO NOT TRIM/RECOLOR cards myself!!! Why should I be made hostage for a few scammers who are attempting to become millionaires due to fraud (Thanks Gary Moser!)?? As much as a select few want to belittle me, PSA cards DO INDEED SELL FOR MORE than their graded counterparts. To try and chastise honest submitters is unbecoming and not warranted.

I think what you are doing is very generous and I'm hoping to get in on the next group submission of lesser value cards. It's ridiculous for anyone to be critical of you for helping "little guys" like me who don't have their own PSA accounts to get cards slabbed with the group discount.

I get it, that there is a lot of anger out there right now, but that anger should be properly directed, not vented on people who don't deserve it.