T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Pat R]

My research indicates that initial TOLSTOI print runs (circa early 1910) appear to coincide with early 1910 press runs of the 350 series. And, what is evident (based on pop
report data) is that they many of these cards were short-printed relative to subsequent T206 series (350/460 series and 460-only series) TOLSTOI print runs.

For example......this simulated arrangement of the 48 subjects in the 1910 COUPON set were also printed with TOLSTOI backs. Approx. 67 % of these guys are quite tough
to find with TOLSTOI backs. Becker & Marshall have yet to be confirmed with a TOLSTOI back. But then, it is only recently that Joe Dunn, Claude Rossman, and Ira Thomas have been found with TOLSTOI backs. So, I expect that Becker and Marshall will be eventually found with TOLSTOI backs.

TED Z
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I confirmed these along with Fiene throwing on t206resource in the past 1+ years when I found scans of them while doing research on the scarcity of the 350 only subjects with Tolstoi backs all of them sold at different times.

The Dunn came up for sale on ebay in March 2018 Fiene sold on ebay in July 2015 Rossman in June 2015 and the Thomas sold on ebay in May 2011.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I confirmed these along with Fiene throwing on t206resource in the past 1+ years when I found scans of them while doing research on the scarcity of the 350 only subjects with Tolstoi backs all of them sold at different times.

The Dunn came up for sale on ebay in March 2018 Fiene sold on ebay in July 2015 Rossman in June 2015 and the Thomas sold on ebay in May 2011.

Pat

I figured it may be you that found these 4 subjects with TOLSTOI backs this past year. But, I wasn't certain. Great research, guy.


TED Z
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[GoCalBears]

wanted to chime in that i just came across this thread and your research about tolstois and yall are AWESOME. i started collecting tolstois only about 6-8 months ago (have around 35 or so graded so far) and have been looking for more and more info. great data and great work gentlemen!

[DeanH3]

Figured we needed a Tolstoi Matty posted. Always wondered why they made Tolstoi and Piedmont so similar in design.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Figured we needed a Tolstoi Matty posted. Always wondered why they made Tolstoi and Piedmont so similar in design.

Good question, Dean.

The TOLSTOI brand was an early entry when the print runs of the 350 series subjects began.
My guess is the same artist that designed the PIEDMONT backs also did the TOLSTOI back.









TED Z

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[tedzan]

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.... Sweet Caporal .... Sovereign .......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign .......... UZIT


I'm celebrating my 40th year since I read Bill Heitman's T206 book titled "THE MONSTER".....that started me on this glorious adventure which has become an obsession.

But, "obsessions" can be a good thing. Especially, when I think of all the great friends I have met all these years in this great hobby Talkin' T206's (and, N162's, T205's,
E90's, 1910 COUPON's, GOUDEY's, DIAMOND STARS, PLAY BALL's, LEAF's, BOWMAN's, TOPPS).

I would like to express my sincerest appreciation to all of you on this forum. And to all of the collectors and dealers (many of whom have become life-long friends) which
I have met since my first Willow Grove Show in March 1981.

This forthcoming weekend marks my 100+ Philly Show in which I will be set-up at. Looking forward to seeing some of you (booth # 412).


TED Z
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[tedzan]

A good number of Net54er's dropped over to visit with Dan and me this past weekend at the Philly Show. We had a great time talking BB and BB cards with them.
Made some nice deals (selling & trading). Many of them traveled a good distance (Boston, New York State, North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) despite the snow & rain.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise a total of 109 subjects. These cards were issued circa Fall/Winter 1910.
The CYCLE 460 cards were not equally printed. There are some considerably more difficult to find than others. I'll post a breakdown of the tougher ones vs the easier ones in
a forthcoming post. I have to do some searching for all my data on the relative scarcity of these T206's with CYCLE 460 backs.

If I recall correctly, Lee Behrens has completed this 109 card sub-set. I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has completed (or near to completing) the CYCLE 460 sub-set ?

In any event, let's have a show-n-tell of your CYCLE 460 cards. CYCLE 460 cards do not get the recognition that most tougher T206 backs do; nonetheless, they can be scarce.




350/460 Series....................63 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (batting)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (batting)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (hands at chest)
Jordan (batting)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)



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460-only Series....................46 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms over head)
Chance (batting)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (batting)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


TED Z
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