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What is the difference between BGS and BCCG?
What is the difference between BGS and BCCG? Did they just change their name and why? These effin acronyms are so ridiculous and is there a difference between a BCCG 9 to a PSA 7? Does PSA crack these stupid BCCG plastic containers, regrade on it's own merit and put back into their own stupid holder? Pretty new to all the grading stuff but want to buy graded if at all, due to fakes everywhere?
Should one just steer clear of BCCG, are they a scam? would you have any BCCG in your collection or were they shitty at grading and no one wants them Thanks |
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IMO, Beckett grading is your last option. I would never send to them. Their marketing if nothing else is a disaster, and they are not respected in the marketplace for grading anything other than modern cards. Vintage doesn't really hold it's value. I have gotten some deals there, but always bust the cards out of the BVG slabs.
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Some said I was being silly thinking that but in no time that is exactly what I seen. These cards in those holders are nothing like those grades, and if fact they would grade half or less than half at PSA or SGC. Newbies to the hobby or uneducated/ignorant buyers may not know this however and if Beckett didn't see this type of behaviour happening when they came out with this new grading system, then I don't think they're as "Professional" as some profess them to be.
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At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.
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Thanks for the fantastic replies to this grading company and system. The collectors are not fond of their grading system it's apparent.
Are the holders easy to break cards out or should you let the professionals do that and ifso fatso, just expect a 5 or 6 SGC/PSA for a BGGS 9? If I were to undertake such a project? I seem to remember stabbing and creasing a perfectly good Rose rookie card in the early eighties in just a regular holder for that time period. Just crumbled the card in the trash at the time. So, I'm not too clear behind the wheel with a knife/screw driver /plastic etc... Thanks again |
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I have cracked probably 20 BGS/SCD holders that are tougher and 10 SGC holders that are really easy. Haven't done a BCCG one, but they're probably easier than BGS standard holders. SGC you can pry open with a butter knife along the edge. For BGS/SCD, I use pliers to snap off a corner by torquing it, then pry open with a flathead screwdriver. Only slightly bent one card out of the 30 or so I've cracked.
PSA will do it just fine if you submit as a crossover and set whatever minimum grade you'd require. As to grade you should expect, you should know how the grades look and compare to the current listed standards on the PSA website. A BCCG 9 could theoretically grade anywhere between a 6 to even a 9, possibly. Not sure how they grade for centering on BCCG, but BGS centering subgrades are tougher than the PSA grade requires. So you can take BGS 9s if you know what to look for and they'll normally cross to PSA 10 as long as the corners are sharp.
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It’s not like pretending a reprint is an original card, but it’s confusing for a newbie. |
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BCCG was a concoction for the shop at home shows.
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And I would only use a BCCG holder as a third party opinion that the card is authentic and gradable, nothing more.
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Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.
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I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.
Keep in mind this is from 2005. http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html |
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"In an effort to reach our wider audience, BCCG was created as a high-volume grading service intended to provide collectors with an attractive and affordable alternative to other graded card products. Simplified 10-point grading scale No internal sleeve Quality archival protection Sonically sealed/tamper-proof protection" In this old post, you can actually see how their numbers compare to the norm. In my opinion, this is a 100% deceptive. What is the purpose of this other than to deceive? "BCCG has a completely different grading scale from any of the other grading companies including Beckett. The BCCG grading scale is: BCCG 10 Mint or Better = BGS 9 or Better BCCG 9 Near Mint or Better = BGS 7 or Better BCCG 8 Excellent or Better = BGS 5 or Better BCCG 7 Very Good or Better = BGS 3 or Better BCCG 6 Good or Better = BGS 2 or Better BCCG 5 Poor or Better = BGS 1 or Better" In this older post, it sounds like you also thought the same once upon a time? http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220046 Quote:
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If people can't be bothered to read the words on the flip, that sounds like their problem, not BCCG. And the link you posted only shows that I would be disappointed getting a card graded by BCCG, not that they're scammers.
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Agree technically that they are not scammers. But it is a very odd practice and overall business model. Unethical? No. Extremely frustrating? Yes.
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The BCCG model is absolutely a play to the low information/less experienced collector. It is a means of getting poor condition cards into the hands of collectors who will think they have a a high quality card when they do not. It is also a tool for predatory sellers masking junk as high quality.
It is not illegal and does not impact me but they are attempting to take advantage of those who are uninformed. |
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Adam (Exhibitman) noted the exact reason for BCCG. Without going into gruesome detail, BCCG was a great and terrible decision for BGS at the same time.
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really glad I asked the question as an extreme novice. Was hoping not to get beat like a red headed step child, should I venture out of my comfort zone. Thanks again guys.
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So is SGC being deceptive by going to the "standard" 10 point scale, except for having an SGC 10 be both Gem Mint *and* Pristine? And creating a new grade of 9.5 Mint+ that no other grading company has?
Why muddy the waters even further? https://www.comc.com/Cards/MultiSpor...424/Graded/SGC 1992 Classic Four Sport Draft Pick Collection - [Base] #231 - Derek Jeter [SGC*100*PRISTINE] Courtesy of COMC.com 1992 Classic Four Sport Draft Pick Collection - [Base] #231 - Derek Jeter [SGC*98*GEM*10] Courtesy of COMC.com 1992 Classic Four Sport Draft Pick Collection - [Base] #231 - Derek Jeter [SGC*9.5*Mint+] Courtesy of COMC.com 1992 Classic Four Sport Draft Pick Collection - [Base] #231 - Derek Jeter [SGC*96*MINT*9] Courtesy of COMC.com
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