I'd love everyone's thoughts. Here's what happened.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

How to you get shilled up on a snipe?

Memorabilia is volatile. Something that sells for $10 today could sell for $100 tomorrow could sell for $10 the day after that.

Tickets and stubs are a niche market. All depends on who's looking for something on a particular day.

I'd guess you were outbidding somebody previously and they upped their game knowing you might be in the mix on similar stuff.

*this*

I don't understand this either.

A snipe is a last second bid, you can't get shilled on a snipe. The only thing that could have happened on a snipe is that another bidder had a pre-existing high bid or another person had a high snipe also. In those cases the other person just also really wanted the card. This can't be shilling.

Shilling happens to those that bid before the end of the auction and a lower bidder throws incremental small bids in to try to find their max.

We all have likely gotten dinged by putting in a big snipe to win something. Hell, paid over 150 bucks for a 82' topps common doing this when someone else was doing the same thing...whoops

[Mark70Z]

I'm sure if you've been in the hobby Long enough you've experienced what you referred to in your original post. I learned my lessons early on in the collecting venue so now I no longer bid in the same fashion. I think my philosophy on things has changed as well and only bid what I believe its worth. If I come up on the short end it just wasn't meant to be; you can't have everything.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

I'm sure if you've been in the hobby Long enough you've experienced what you referred to in your original post. I learned my lessons early on in the collecting venue so now I no longer bid in the same fashion. I think my philosophy on things has changed as well and only bid what I believe its worth. If I come up on the short end it just wasn't meant to be; you can't have everything.

This.

Unless your collection is incredibly niche (and for some people it is, and that's what drives prices up sometimes, when two or more people have the same niche.), there's always something else out there to spend your money on if you're not comfortable overpaying on something you're looking at right now.



As an extreme example for niche collecting, I use something from personal experience I've dubbed "The Lily Langtry Effect".

Lily Langtry was a popular Turn of the Century actress. I ran across her because around the late 90's to early 2000's I was collecting another turn of the century actress named Lillian Russell.

Langtry did not have as much material made of her as Russell, but I noticed anything of the era with her name on it had skyrocketed in price on Ebay, so I started to look for Langtry stuff at local Antique shops and shows, while also discovering her name was often misspelled in Ebay listings, which caused opportunistic pickups for myself.

For a short while the same 3 or 4 collectors were competing with each other for Langtry stuff and anything on a tobacco card, pin, vintage photograph or cabinet would consistently land at anywhere from $150-$250 each.

Flash forward to today, the competition has disappeared and those same type of items can be had for between $5-$35 each, if you look at completed Ebay auctions.

[Exhibitman]

While you can't get shilled with a snipe, you could have walked into shilling scenario involving other bidders. To echo the others never bid more than you are ok to pay. Even with out Problemstein (great pun BTW) we've all had a weird price or two on eBay. Just the nature of the beast. You never know who is bidding. Over time it tends to even out with the great deals and auctions that no one seems to spot.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

While you can't get shilled with a snipe, you could have walked into shilling scenario involving other bidders. To echo the others never bid more than you are ok to pay. Even with out Problemstein (great pun BTW) we've all had a weird price or two on eBay. Just the nature of the beast. You never know who is bidding. Over time it tends to even out with the great deals and auctions that no one seems to spot.

Agreed... Also, Mr. Big is untouchable with Ebay, period. They just simply don't give a shit. Just go back and look at past threads pertaining this. He does what he wants, how he wants, and when he wants....