PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Jake please, if you don't think this thread cost my final sale at least $7500 you are really freakin crazy!

So you would rather have someone buy the card without knowing the prior sale. People look at net54 everyday. It is forseeable that someone would post the prior sale on that card during the auction.

You just seem to be complaining for the wrong reason. I dont think anyone on the board besides you will say it was bad that Greg brought up the prior sale. I guess you wish he brought it up AFTER the auction? The winner could of returned the card and asked for a refund if went for 60k.

So if the thread started after the sale the net effect may of been the same. I guess you wanted something to post that past sale AFTER the potential refund period expired.

I get why you are upset in general but dont understand why you are upset at the timing of the information of the thread and you did Make a Thousand dollars and the buyer may have been fully informed as well and wont ask for a refund. I just think you are mad at the wrong people.

Also again, i guess i am crazy because i still dont think the card goes for 7500 more than what you paid for it a short time ago and nobody else bothered to bid higher than you and give up a 'sure $5000'

[irv]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Fair question, as I am mostly a buyer also. Truth be told, I've bought 90% of my cards on PWCC. Over the last 6 years, close to 2,000 cards, all from 70-77 and all PSA 9's (except for a few 71 8's; and this doesn't include the high end raw sets I bought 3-5 years ago before they started breaking them up)

Until you can show me another auction house that has their hands clean and has the quantity and quality that I look for, then I'll stick with PWCC. And if I can't snipe, I essentially stay away.

PWCC will be at the National. I recommend if you have an issue with them, ask for Brent, look him in the eye, and ask away. It's easy to tell someone to F-off or make accusations on a forum. Face to face, little different.

I will be at the National this year also, my first one in 30? years, and would love to meet some of you whether we disagree or not. You can find me at the $20 card bins.

Uh? Where did that come from? I am disappointed with a lot of things in this thread, but telling someone to F-off to their face isn't something that has even crossed my mind at this point.

I have had nothing but good luck with pwcc, and like I said, spoke highly of them prior, but I personally hate to read things like this in any type of scenario, so, like I said earlier, I think I'll avoid/stay away from them, or at least for a while, or until everything comes out in the wash, if it ever does?

Lately, I have had pretty good luck purchasing cards cheaper and not having to pay a $15 dollar shipping fee, which works out to about $20, give or take, to get it up here.

Curious, is the $15 what you guys pay state side as well?

[aloondilana]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So you would rather have someone buy the card without knowing the prior sale. People look at net54 everyday. It is forseeable that someone would post the prior sale on that card during the auction.

You just seem to be complaining for the wrong reason. I dont think anyone on the board besides you will say it was bad that Greg brought up the prior sale. I guess you wish he brought it up AFTER the auction? The winner could of returned the card and asked for a refund if went for 60k.

So if the thread started after the sale the net effect may of been the same. I guess you wanted something to post that past sale AFTER the potential refund period expired.

I get why you are upset in general but dont understand why you are upset at the timing of the information of the thread and you did Make a Thousand dollars and the buyer may have been fully informed as well and wont ask for a refund. I just think you are mad at the wrong people.

Also again, i guess i am crazy because i still dont think the card goes for 7500 more than what you paid for it a short time ago and nobody else bothered to bid higher than you and give up a 'sure $5000'

Ok Jake, you don't think this thread hurt the card at least 7500 bucks?
Cmon, seriously ?!? I don't care if I get banned from this site, as you can tell from my measly 67 posts in 4 years I don't live on this site like you.
So go F yourself!, better yet have Greg do it for you. Loser! Get a life you spend way too much time arguing nonsense on this message board!

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL. Of course we can't know with certainty unless someone comes forward and so attests, but I agree with John it is certainly very plausible that there are folks who read or heard about this thread and didn't bid, or bid less. It's just common sense. I don't know why certain people on this thread want to fight different aspects of the obvious.

[ezez420]

I second Johns response. This ridiculous post definitely put a damper on the card for bs. Frankly who gives a sht whether a card was any grade before. I think someone should pay restitution to John for hurting auction.

[mechanicalman]

I understand completely how anyone reading this thread would have been dissuaded to bid on this card. This was bad PR. Nothing good came to the consignor from the thread.

What I don't understand is the presumption that the card would have appreciated 30% in the course of five months had this thread not existed. I'm not even trying to be confrontational, but can someone please explain what economic forces are at play to drive a card from $47k in Oct to the expected $60k+ in Feb? Are eBay buyers that much more deep pocketed than the ones shopping Goldin? Perhaps it's because I'm not a flipper, but what am I missing here?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL. Of course we can't know with certainty unless someone comes forward and so attests, but I agree with John it is certainly very plausible that there are folks who read or heard about this thread and didn't bid, or bid less. It's just common sense. I don't know why so many people on this thread want to fight different aspects of the obvious.

Obviously it COULD have hurt his auction, but I gotta say, while, if I were in his shoes, I would be pissed as well for a lot of reasons, at a lot of people, I doubt it hurt it by $7500. (diagram THAT sentence grammar police!) I mean really what % of the buying public for a card in this echelon do we really think N54 represents? We already have proof that people shelling out big bucks don't necessarily do any research on the card before they pull the trigger. So a non-member very likely never stumbled across this debacle.

Seriously though I'd love to hear estimates on a %. We may collectively be a big fish in a small pond, but I'm guessing we're a smaller fish in a bigger pond than you might think.

All that said I still feel for him as, unless I missed something, he was an innocent bystander who got slammed by circumstance.

Now if he would just apologize for the douchey $20 collector comment...

[ezez420]

Greg dont you think you should compensate John for interfering with his auction whether privately or with PWCC for that matter?

If I owned a card like that and you messed with it on me we would be having a different conversation. And I am sure others on here would be same way. You should have waited until it ended. Curious to here your thoughts...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Thought this was supposed to be a community that looked out for each other's common interests? I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Greg should have kept his mouth shut until someone bought the card without knowledge of its history.

You seem to be able to walk in John's shoes for a mile, try on the moccasins of the buyer who may have unknowingly spent a small fortune on the card. Do we just keep passing the buck until the game of musical DiMaggio is over and someone is left holding the bag?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am usually on the same page as Ed but I disagree with him here. As there was no question these were the same card, I think it was appropriate to call the matter to the attention of the community because it was potentially highly relevant information. Had Greg been speculating, or just offering a personal opinion about the card, I would feel differently. Sure, it sucked for John, but the information presented was undisputed and factual and the greater good justified it, in my opinion.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Thought this was supposed to be a community that looked out for each other's common interests? I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that Greg should have kept his mouth shut until someone bought the card without knowledge of its history.

You seem to be able to walk in John's shoes for a mile, try on the moccasins of the buyer who may have unknowingly spent a small fortune on the card. Do we just keep passing the buck until the game of musical DiMaggio is over and someone is left holding the bag?

Scott: You and I and many others agree to this. The truth is the defense for outing the card. If someone said something untruthful about a past sale which hurt the value thats a different story.

What if the card sold to a Net54 member who doesnt 'live on the board' and had not checked awhile. Then after the sale the card was 'outed' dont you think that buyer would of wanted their money back. I disagree with anyone who thinks it was wrong to out the card during the auction.

Also name calling from John is pretty ridiculous given the post I wrote he is responding too. Several posters agree that a $7500 expected profit was not realistic. Some posters say that the prior sale would not of impacted their bidding as well. In any event, it was just an opinion that many agree with and not sure why there would be insults to that. You have admitted on this thread 'that you have been a bit of a jerk'.

I hope the person that bought the card knew about the cards history if he didnt live on the board/site. Also i have made several posts there that i dont believe the card was sold as a fraud. Peter has been arguing with me when I have said a PSA 7 was sold and PSA 7 was purchased, so its not like i have an agenda against the sale.

I also notice that the board doesnt need my help when there is lively discussion (720 posts and counting) Peter has said when you are losing an argument you tend to curse and say profanities. ]


In any event, I do think the post by John was uncalled for and he said he doesnt care if he is banned...but im sure he is sorry for his behavior and wants to post more here..


This was my post and his post responding for reference:

So[B][B] you would rather have someone buy the card without knowing the prior sale. People look at net54 everyday. It is forseeable that someone would post the prior sale on that card during the auction.

You just seem to be complaining for the wrong reason. I dont think anyone on the board besides you will say it was bad that Greg brought up the prior sale. I guess you wish he brought it up AFTER the auction? The winner could of returned the card and asked for a refund if went for 60k.

So if the thread started after the sale the net effect may of been the same. I guess you wanted something to post that past sale AFTER the potential refund period expired.
I get why you are upset in general but dont understand why you are upset at the timing of the information of the thread and you did Make a Thousand dollars and the buyer may have been fully informed as well and wont ask for a refund. I just think you are mad at the wrong people.
Also again, i guess i am crazy because i still dont think the card goes for 7500 more than what you paid for it a short time ago and nobody else bothered to bid higher than you and give up a 'sure $5000'

Originally Posted by aloondilana

Ok Jake, you don't think this thread hurt the card at least 7500 bucks?
Cmon, seriously ?!? I don't care if I get banned from this site, as you can tell from my measly 67 posts in 4 years I don't live on this site like you.
So go F yourself!, better yet have Greg do it for you. Loser! Get a life you spend way too much time arguing nonsense on this message board!