PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[Brent Huigens]

Cortney placed a series of sequential bids, and because they weren't placed at the minimum bid increment, they didn't fall outside our policy. Regardless, this bidding behavior didn't bode well for the auction. We didn't want to cancel his bids because he hadn't technically behaved in a way that would warrant cancellation. We do feel that as long as a series of bids results in a bidder becoming the high bidder, the intention of the bidding is to win the card. This is why we asked him to become the high bidder. Cortney was a bidder who required constant monitoring and management; this level of communication doesn't exist for other buyers. We are relieved to not have to engage with him moving forward.

Betsy Huigens

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Cortney placed a series of sequential bids, and because they weren't placed at the minimum bid increment, they didn't fall outside our policy. Regardless, this bidding behavior didn't bode well for the auction. We didn't want to cancel his bids because he hadn't technically behaved in a way that would warrant cancellation. We do feel that as long as a series of bids results in a bidder becoming the high bidder, the intention of the bidding is to win the card. This is why we asked him to become the high bidder. Cortney was a bidder who required constant monitoring and management; this level of communication doesn't exist for other buyers. We are relieved to not have to engage with him moving forward.

Betsy Huigens

No offense, but if I am not mistaken, Ebay allows you to bid in any increment you wish, obviously limited by how their system is designed. You specifically asked him to inflate his bid amount and subsequently the price because he will be outbid. I am not sure how you "spin" this in any way to make it ok. You told him to bid so he won't win because he will be outbid. What sort of moronic response is the quoted one?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

No offense, but if I am not mistaken, Ebay allows you to bid in any increment you wish, obviously limited by how their system is designed. You specifically asked him to inflate his bid amount and subsequently the price because he will be outbid. I am not sure how you "spin" this in any way to make it ok. You told him to bid so he won't win because he will be outbid. What sort of moronic response is the quoted one?

Thats a good point there

"But, back to the shill bidding texts, here are more between Brent and me. "

They were not attached whodunit

[Whodunit]

Here ya go. This is me finding out about the dr'd card.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Here ya go. This is me finding out about the dr'd card.

did you ask for the 25k you lost on the card, he may of paid you that. Though perhaps he credited you for the money he claims you owe him which was more than 25k

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Here ya go. This is me finding out about the dr'd card.

OK, this is starting to piece itself together. "JP" is John Perez, the one who consigned it Brent. They all know each other. My theory is that Cortney consigned the card to Goldin. Goldin puts it in his auction and Cortney has his friend John shill it up. Unfortunately, John ends up winning it. John then asks Cortney what he should do now. Cortney recommends that John consign it to Brent, who will then have Cortney shill it up. Half way through the auction this mess comes to light and Cortney realizes that Brent screwed him, so he’s going to stop doing Brent favors and stops bidding. I wish I knew who ended up winning it….it could make this come full circle.

Again, just a theory. I don’t have a dog in this fight, plus I’m just a $20 collector, so what the hell do I know, right Cortney? You’ve all made your own bed. Enjoy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

OK, this is starting to piece itself together. "JP" is John Perez, the one who consigned it Brent. They all know each other. My theory is that Cortney consigned the card to Goldin. Goldin puts it in his auction and Cortney has his friend John shill it up. Unfortunately, John ends up winning it. John then asks Cortney what he should do now. Cortney recommends that John consign it to Brent, who will then have Cortney shill it up. Half way through the auction this mess comes to light and Cortney realizes that Brent screwed him, so he’s going to stop doing Brent favors and stops bidding. I wish I knew who ended up winning it….it could make this come full circle.

Again, just a theory. I don’t have a dog in this fight, plus I’m just a $20 collector, so what the hell do I know, right Cortney? You’ve all made your own bed. Enjoy.

No I believe JP is JP Cohen.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No I believe JP is JP Cohen.

That's what I thought....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Cortney placed a series of sequential bids, and because they weren't placed at the minimum bid increment, they didn't fall outside our policy. Regardless, this bidding behavior didn't bode well for the auction. We didn't want to cancel his bids because he hadn't technically behaved in a way that would warrant cancellation. We do feel that as long as a series of bids results in a bidder becoming the high bidder, the intention of the bidding is to win the card. This is why we asked him to become the high bidder. Cortney was a bidder who required constant monitoring and management; this level of communication doesn't exist for other buyers. We are relieved to not have to engage with him moving forward.

Betsy Huigens

That sounds reasonable. Cortney's story has changed. He first said that he bid to buy it back for his collection, now he's saying he was asked to shill. Can't trust someone whose story changes like that.

[Scocs]

Is this a genuine Net54 thread....or a fever dream?!

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That sounds reasonable. Cortney's story has changed. He first said that he bid to buy it back for his collection, now he's saying he was asked to shill. Can't trust someone whose story changes like that.

Story has not changed. Are you brain dead. I stated that i was bidding to win it back until i found out about the thread and the altered card. At that point i quit bidding and brent asked me to keep it going. So, how is bidding to buy it back changing when i stated i quit bidding when i found out about the fraud. Id suggest you go back and read the thread David bc youre obviously either drunk, dead brain cells or dont have the capacity for cognitive thinking and reasoning. Look at time stamps if youre confused.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Story has not changed. Are you brain dead. I stated that i was bidding to win it back until i found out about the thread and the altered card. At that point i quit bidding and brent asked me to keep it going. So, how is bidding to buy it back changing when i stated i quit bidding when i found out about the fraud. Id suggest you go back and read the thread David bc youre obviously either drunk, dead brain cells or dont have the capacity for cognitive thinking and reasoning. Look at time stamps if youre confused.

Your text shows you said, "I'm bidding in 1k increments like you asked previously." So, we're you bidding to win it back for your collection, or were you bidding because you were asked? You wrote the text.

I can't decide if you're an idiot or a liar. Perhaps a bit of both.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your text shows you said, "I'm bidding in 1k increments like you asked previously." So, we're you bidding to win it back for your collection, or were you bidding because you were asked? You wrote the text.

I can't decide if you're an idiot or a liar. Perhaps a bit of both.

He was bidding because he says he was asked at 1000 increments, but apparently not always 1000 as they told him to stop being silly with the less than 1000 bids He is claiming he was told to shill but it does look like the other side from the few texts he provided was surprised at his shill behavior which would be contrary to his position. Would need to see more texts

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your text shows you said, "I'm bidding in 1k increments like you asked previously." So, we're you bidding to win it back for your collection, or were you bidding because you were asked? You wrote the text.

I can't decide if you're an idiot or a liar. Perhaps a bit of both.

You're confused David, and I don't blame you because it's confusing. I think what happened is that when Cortney was bidding to win, Brent asked him to bid in 1K increments because he felt that bidding in lower increments, the string bidding, looked bad.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're confused David, and I don't blame you because it's confusing. I think what happened is that when Cortney was bidding to win, Brent asked him to bid in 1K increments because he felt that bidding in lower increments, the string bidding, looked bad.

No, Peter, I think you're absolutely correct. So, that corroborates Betsy's last post, right? She said his bidding didn't bode well with the auction. But that's hardly ask8ng him to shill.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, Peter, I think you're absolutely correct. So, that corroborates Betsy's last post, right? She said his bidding didn't bode well with the auction. But that's hardly ask8ng him to shill.

He was then asked to bid again, as I read it, to take the top slot.

[botn]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, Peter, I think you're absolutely correct. So, that corroborates Betsy's last post, right? She said his bidding didn't bode well with the auction. But that's hardly ask8ng him to shill.

Then why does Brent write to him twice that he assured he would be outbid? How does Brent know he will be outbid unless Brent knows how high other bidders are willing to go on the card? That makes no sense to me.

[botn]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That sounds reasonable. Cortney's story has changed. He first said that he bid to buy it back for his collection, now he's saying he was asked to shill. Can't trust someone whose story changes like that.

I think Cortney also said he stopped bidding as soon as someone made him aware of this thread. Not saying Cortney is completely an innocent participant in regards to his dealings with Brent over the last 5 years but Cortney has not posted here and on other boards repeatedly assuring auction integrity, which seems is now being called into question from someone on the inside.

[gnaz01]

It looks like at the end of Cortney's text screenshot, he states "play games? Go f#%^ yourself" if my tired eyes are good.....

[Whodunit]

Yes, that's what it says. The go f yourself was a text i sent him in that sequence. I obviously dont appreciate games or being accused of playing them. Lemme see if i can get the rest of that sequence.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Yes, that's what it says. The go f yourself was a text i sent him in that sequence. I obviously dont appreciate games or being accused of playing them. Lemme see if i can get the rest of that sequence.

right but a few minutes ago you said

"But, back to the shill bidding texts, here are more between Brent and me. "

where is the 'more' and you said you would post more before and after the 2 screenshots your provided. you said you have years worth i believe as well....

[PhillipAbbott79]

That is what it says.

[PhillipAbbott79]

[Republicaninmass]

This is why we asked him to become the high bidder.

[irv]

I'm still curious how that card received the grade it did?

That hasn't been talked about lately in this thread.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

This is why we asked him to become the high bidder.

No matter what the reasoning is if you ask someone to bid in your auction for any reason its shilling. No getting around that one. Im not surprised that a conversation finally came to light. With so many bidders/consigners/shillers involved its only a matter of time before one gets burned and seeks revenge.

[Whodunit]

You really just went there knowing I have the texts and you have nothong but your thoughts? I have proof and you have.....? Youre stating "words", Im showing the community the types of conversations I had with Brent. Are you really prepared for what Im about to show them? Defend the starement about my "very large unpaid debt" with a screenshot that followed your post asking for an invoice long before today. ;-) Come on now Brent, dont pick and choose what to defend....and quit hiding behind Betsy's name. You know me well enough to know that every time you lie about me, im gonna refute it and show them more.

Sequential bids? Ebay states I dont have to bid more than min 100 bid increments......look at that auction.....there's no min bid even in there. Auction houses have the same policy. So, are you saying min bid behavior, even if its 1k bid increments, isnt sufficient for you?. Sounds like you need to take that up with ebay.

But, back to the shill bidding texts, here are more between Brent and me.