PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I understand, but you were personally involved in this case and your opinion is baised (doesnt mean you could be absolutely right)

Just saying that you agreeing with Peter doesnt support Peter's argument due to bias..

That makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. My response was in regards to not being told that the card was doctored. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that hell yes, my opinion is biased. I said that in a previous statement. I also said that had the information about the cards history BEEN DISCLOSED, I wouldn't have paid 5K for it. That is a material fact considering Brent knew for a fact that if he'd told me that the card was doctored I'd have had zero interest in it. Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, and how many times we talked about bad sheep in the hobby and what they do to cards to get them in certain holders, to say that withholding that particular tidbit of information was negligible is akin to saying that the Pope is Baptist.
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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

That makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. My response was in regards to not being told that the card was doctored. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that hell yes, my opinion is biased. I said that in a previous statement. I also said that had the information about the cards history BEEN DISCLOSED, I wouldn't have paid 5K for it. That is a material fact considering Brent knew for a fact that if he'd told me that the card was doctored I'd have had zero interest in it. Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, and how many times we talked about bad sheep in the hobby and what they do to cards to get them in certain holders, to say that withholding that particular tidbit of information was negligible is akin to saying that the Pope is Baptist.
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If you look at what i said that you quoted i did say 'you could be absolutely right' I just said that you are biased in the situation. Maybe if you made 50k profit on the card you wouldnt be complaining and you are upset because of the bad outcome. Maybe you are just trying to clean up the hobby. Maybe something else. There could be a lot of reasons, i just said that someone in your position would of course complain there was fraud given what transpired.

Peter disagrees with me, but there are other posters here that disagree with Peter. Some say that theres a way to remove substances on a card without even touching the card for instance. Again, i not saying it was not wrong and not saying someone can be pursued for civil damages. However the card is in a PSA 7 holder and was sold as a PSA 7, thats not a Scam in my opinion. (assuming PSA wasnt paid off etc)

Im sure the seller of the card will say this wasnt a scam as well, but i would say he is biased as well.

[Whodunit]

There again, lets not forget why I signed up for this forum today and why I made a few connections with a few people before I started posting. I was informed that what I said would likely be taken with a grain of salt b/c I never post and have no "forum credibility"........so, thanks for that tidbit, Evan Mathis. I signed up for the sole reason of setting the record straight on Brent Huigens, PWCC and the way that they do business.....the lies they tell.........and, in this case, the lies that they fail to mention (pun intended). There was a lot of speculation going on as to what actually transpired with this card from the time it left REA until it just sold through him (again). I'm strictly here to set the record straight, let the community know how Brent does business.

I could really care less about losing the 30K that I lost when I sold the card in Goldin's auction. As part of a portfolio, 30K is negligible in the long run. Anyone with a large collection will tell you that. It's one of the things that I preach. What I do care about is making sure that others don't get burned like I did. Brent earned my trust, but like any rabid dog, when you turn your back, you're gonna get bit. He's a snake in the grass and all of what you guys suggest about him and his company is legitimate and, for the most part, accurate.

Has anyone noticed that Brent is still MIA after being called out several times? All those years of him monitoring this board and telling me not to bother with responding b/c "(he'll) handle it". Yet, now he's...poof....gone. Must be on another monthly vacation somewhere where there's no internet or phone service (like HI. LMAO). I'm guessing his attorneys are telling him to STFU and pray this goes away. Guess what Brent Huigens, this aint goin' away buddy!!!! I know you're reading this, I've already caught wind of some of the remarks that have been made about me TODAY. ;-)

[jfkheat]

Did PWCC recently block all of your eBay ids from bidding on their auctions?
James

[FirstYearCards]

No dog in this fight, but Cortney you say in post #362 "Considering the nature of our past relationship, the fact that I was by far his biggest consignor for 5+ years, then in post #368 you say "He's a snake in the grass and all of what you guys suggest about him and his company is legitimate and, for the most part, accurate.

Are you saying up until this incident you were clueless as to who you were dealing with?
Could we see these cards you've consigned the last five years to be sure we also weren't burned?

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

There again, lets not forget why I signed up for this forum today and why I made a few connections with a few people before I started posting. I was informed that what I said would likely be taken with a grain of salt b/c I never post and have no "forum credibility"........so, thanks for that tidbit, Evan Mathis.

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would not presume to comment on any disagreements between Evan and Cortney, but I can say that everything Cortney has said about the history of this particular card is consistent with what I previously learned from people other than Cortney, whose involvement was news to me today.

[vintagetoppsguy]

What's the record for most number of posts in a thread? And the record for most page views? I think this one has potential to shatter those records.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

What's the record for most number of posts in a thread? And the record for most page views? I think this one has potential to shatter those records.

That damn Burkett's monster thread. No chance.

[Beastmode]

I'm waiting for a pop-up ad from PWCC on this thread; the eyeballs must be off the charts. Quick Leon, dynamic pricing...

Courtney, not to diminish your narrative on this thread because it does appear to have merit, but 50 retractions; give me a fXcking break. And you've paid for all your winnings?? yeah right

I believe the forum will eventually sort this out, so I will stay tuned. I do apprecaite the fact you have the balls to come on here and tell your story and it appears to have legs. I'd like to hear the other half.

[Whodunit]

Evan, you talk just to hear yourself think dont you? I have zero credibility? Within what group? Now, spouting off "facts", all of which are in your head? If I have zero credibiliry and dont do what i say, why do I have boxes from you show up at my house prior to pmt? Is it bc you know you're going to get paid? You just made my point too, by the way. So, thanks for that darlin'. Does it have anything to do with you telling me for the ladt 3 weeks to "leave it alone". Go get Brent now. Lets let the rubber meet the raod. ;-)

[Whodunit]

Might wanna read the posts before you embark on an entitled rant like the one you just posted. Kinda makes an ass out of ones self.......

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Might wanna read the posts before you embark on an entitled rant like the one you just posted. Kinda makes an ass out of ones self.......

Yeah, I actually haven't read much. I just saw your name and got triggered.

[ergoism]

Can you tell me what "facts" are in my head, darlin'?

[Whodunit]

Well, to start, all of them except JP being pissed bc I was in a wreck and Tommy Boys. If you wanna rattle on about "daddys boys" include the whole family darlin. You like to rattle #s so that you seem more educated on subjects......concussion protocol? Can anyone other than Evan tell me a time I made a deal and didnt go through? Im not gonna mention names bc Ive got every AH on the planet begging me not to bring in their companies into this s$#* storm, but anyone other than Evan? LMFAO.

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=Beastmode;1631737]I'm waiting for a pop-up ad from PWCC on this thread; the eyeballs must be off the charts. Quick Leon, dynamic pricing...

Now thats funny!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Th\

two things i learned from this

1. that is that this comment doesnt negate anything i said about cortney being biased in terms of if the deal was scam or not

2. I wish i knew someone that would front me $85,000 on a card. I swim in different waters.

[Leon]

Hi Evan
Hope all is well for you. Hope to say hi in Chitown if you make it this year? Thanks for coming on the forum and chiming in....best....LL

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

[ergoism]

Leon, I'll be there every day like a kid in a candy store.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I wasn't going to get involved but I see my name so I'll play. Cortney, you have zero credibility as a human being. When we started doing deals years ago, you always preached about how you were a man of your word. Fast forward to now and you are banned from PWCC, Memory Lane, and Heritage. Those are just the ones I know. I also know I fronted $85,000 to pay for a card for you and when it came time to pay you told me to sell the card because the doctor told you that you had days to live. Then a couple weeks later when a similar card brought a huge number at auction, you wanted to act like nothing happened and asked for the card. I told you it sold and you threw one of your trademarked temper tantrums like you do on Facebook when your wife doesn't have a meal ready for you when you get home from working for your daddy. When we were texting about your idea to jump on the forums, I was saying it was a bad idea because you are just bad for the hobby in every way. Your running up auctions, protect bidding, shill bidding, and your overall persona is just not needed. You come here and "expose" Brent because you are mad he banned you. You're mad he couldn't put up with you bidding on his auctions with all 4 of your accounts. Quit acting like anything would have been different if you knew about the card's history. You still would have bought it then over committed yourself to something else and had to consign it and everything you'd recently bought just to fund your terrible impulses. Hence you being "Brent's biggest consignor." I've never seen you ask for the provenance of any of the cards you bought. A lot of cards in this hobby are cleaned up or worked on in some way. Examine the cards you buy, buy what you like. You're acting like someone who sees a spill in a grocery store and runs over to it and fakes a fall. Get up, victim.

Lolol

Hold on, be right back, need more popcorn and a pit stop...

God, sick of popcorn. Need a beer and a shower.

Why in heaven or hell would you buy a graded card after reading this?

You know why.

[sbfinley]

Just so I don't have dig through 50 something pages. Is there real truth the fact offered that Brent encouraged a member to bid without the intention of winning. I'm a Brent supporter and have been defending him elsewhere, but that would make me look like quite the clown.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

just so i don't have dig through 50 something pages. Is there real truth the fact offered that brent encouraged a member to bid without the intention of winning. I'm a brent supporter and have been defending him elsewhere, but that would make me look like quite the clown.

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You may wanna read through the 50 something pages...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Just so I don't have dig through 50 something pages. Is there real truth the fact offered that Brent encouraged a member to bid without the intention of winning. I'm a Brent supporter and have been defending him elsewhere, but that would make me look like quite the clown.

Start with post #412.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Just so I don't have dig through 50 something pages. Is there real truth the fact offered that Brent encouraged a member to bid without the intention of winning. I'm a Brent supporter and have been defending him elsewhere, but that would make me look like quite the clown.

That is the most ironic part of all of this, PWCC asked the guy to do a shill bid so that his other bids wouldn't appear to be shill bids. He was told to temporarily become the high bidder but PWCC assured him that it would be eventually overtaken by a higher bid.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That is the most ironic part of all of this, PWCC asked the guy to do a shill bid so that his other bids wouldn't appear to be shill bids. He was to told temporarily become the high bidder but PWCC assured him that it would be eventually overtaken by a higher bid.

And there is a chance a lot of this is being taken out of context. It happens and has happened to me. It's not fun. Just because someone says you won't be the high bidder actually means very little to me. I have put in bids on 500k cards at very first with a 50k bid. I was the temporary high bidder but I wasn't going to win, maybe the same here? I can't hardly read all of the texts as they are too small....and Brent gave a reason too, but let's not try to look at both sides. Let's just look at the jackass's side.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That is the most ironic part of all of this, PWCC asked the guy to do a shill bid so that his other bids wouldn't appear to be shill bids. He was to told temporarily become the high bidder but PWCC assured him that it would be eventually overtaken by a higher bid.

As Leons stated there may be other reasons. However, this can also be inferred that if he 'won' the card he wouldnt have to pay for it because he was assured that he wouldnt win the card. Thus, there would be no way he could of been sued for payment when he has a text like that.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Just so I don't have dig through 50 something pages. Is there real truth the fact offered that Brent encouraged a member to bid without the intention of winning. I'm a Brent supporter and have been defending him elsewhere, but that would make me look like quite the clown.

Yes, this is Cortney DeLorme, the one that started this spiral around page 30 or so. I provided a screenshot showing Brent asking me to bid on the card and assuring me that I would be outbid. On that auction, I think the account that I used was the one you guys will refer to as S***N.

A lot of people think this is a one time deal. When the dust settles on this, more is to come. Anyone supporting Brent, will absolutely look foolish. I'm not saying that they are less intelligent than anyone else, but in light of the new evidence that has been shown and what all else I have, he has no defense.

Have you noticed that Betsy has called me out on many occasion about a "very large unpaid debt" and that I've refuted it with screenshots and timestamps asking for an invoice prior to her post...............and, now she won't address it at all.

Then, to make it even more fun, she originally said I was blocked b/c of the debt, but when that was refuted, changed it to "Cortney DeLorme is the first person in the history of PWCC to be blocked as a person and not as a bidder". Every time I shoot em down, they reload and try to stick a dagger in me somewhere else. They'll eventually learn, I have 5 years of this stuff and I have no problem implicating whoever needs implicating to make my point.................and, again, my point is NOT that I lost 30K on the card when I sold it via Ken. It is the fact that Brent was my best friend (or so I thought), I was high biggest consignor with no close second, I trusted him wo reservation, he knew I wouldn't check behind what he told me..................and he used that against me to unload a card that he knew I'd have had no interest in had I known it's history.

Back to your original question, yes, there is proof of shill bidding requests by brent. Another quick screenshot can quickly alleviate that question.

Another question that keeps getting brought up is bid retractions. That account has 10 in the last 6 months (0 in last 30)...............when all of them were over a year ago . And of those 10 retractions, 9 were on ONE AUCTION where I had to manually retract each bid that i placed (t206 plank......therefor getting more retractions) to back out of the auction b/c of other shill bidding. So, Im absolutely positive that the "6 month" retraction goes away over MUCH LONGER time frame. I have another account that I use maybe once a month and haven't retracted since 2/16 but yet all of them are still there.

Cortney

[Whodunit]

Anger provokes responses. Those responses can sometimes be damaging to ones credibility and insulting to others. I have no intention of doing any of those to anyone or any business...........except to those who INTENTINALLY lie to me and steal from me. My previous comments about SGC and a "$20 Card Collector" (which from what I hear is the name of a new forum page) was directed at ONE PERSON for being an argumentative prick with no substantive argument............not people that collect cards in a range less than, say, $10K. The posts were unacceptable, and I sincerely apologize. SGC has graded with the toughest of them and aggravated the crap out of me on one particular instance..............but, garnered great respect from it. For example, I had 9 PSA 8 '57 Unitas 8's that I took to a show and wanted to have ONE crossed over to an SGC 8.5 or 9. I spent over 3K on crossovers for them to tell me that only 3 of those 8's even fit their 8 requirements. So, my respect of their grading techniques grew tremendously. However, the reason I don't buy SGC is b/c of their lack of qualifiers. When I buy a card, if it's been trimmed, altered, etc., (ahem.......cue, BRENT) I want to know so that I can STAY AWAY (AGAIN, CUE BRENT) from it. I don't buy that stuff. That's just my personal preference. The same goes for BVG. I prefer PSA b/c of their qualifiers. Are they perfect, no. Are any of us, absolutely not. But, PSA, in my humble opinion have garnered the respect of the hobby and hold the most stable prices of any of the companies. That's MY OPINION, nothing more; so please don't attack me over that. This post is simply an apology for those 2 comments that I made out of frustration and to otherwise defend SGC and their business practices, which I made a fool of myself earlier in the thread for saying the things that I did.

And quite a few of you brought it to my attn. ;-)

[nrm1977]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Yes, this is Cortney DeLorme, the one that started this spiral around page 30 or so. I provided a screenshot showing Brent asking me to bid on the card and assuring me that I would be outbid. On that auction, I think the account that I used was the one you guys will refer to as S***N.

A lot of people think this is a one time deal. When the dust settles on this, more is to come. Anyone supporting Brent, will absolutely look foolish. I'm not saying that they are less intelligent than anyone else, but in light of the new evidence that has been shown and what all else I have, he has no defense.

Have you noticed that Betsy has called me out on many occasion about a "very large unpaid debt" and that I've refuted it with screenshots and timestamps asking for an invoice prior to her post...............and, now she won't address it at all.

Then, to make it even more fun, she originally said I was blocked b/c of the debt, but when that was refuted, changed it to "Cortney DeLorme is the first person in the history of PWCC to be blocked as a person and not as a bidder". Every time I shoot em down, they reload and try to stick a dagger in me somewhere else. They'll eventually learn, I have 5 years of this stuff and I have no problem implicating whoever needs implicating to make my point.................and, again, my point is NOT that I lost 30K on the card when I sold it via Ken. It is the fact that Brent was my best friend (or so I thought), I was high biggest consignor with no close second, I trusted him wo reservation, he knew I wouldn't check behind what he told me..................and he used that against me to unload a card that he knew I'd have had no interest in had I known it's history.

Back to your original question, yes, there is proof of shill bidding requests by brent. Another quick screenshot can quickly alleviate that question.

Another question that keeps getting brought up is bid retractions. That account has 10 in the last 6 months (0 in last 30)...............when all of them were over a year ago . And of those 10 retractions, 9 were on ONE AUCTION where I had to manually retract each bid that i placed (t206 plank......therefor getting more retractions) to back out of the auction b/c of other shill bidding. So, Im absolutely positive that the "6 month" retraction goes away over MUCH LONGER time frame. I have another account that I use maybe once a month and haven't retracted since 2/16 but yet all of them are still there.

Cortney

I admire you coming forward with this information. After reading that text message (just save the picture and you can enlarge the text) and what you said in the above statement, how can anyone have any faith you aren't being shilled when go after a card by PWCC?! I'm just scratching my head...

On another note, I really enjoy these forums, lots of great information and people. I'm not here to argue with anyone as most people have good points. I just believe in having integrity and it doesn't seem like PWCC has any. I always sensed some corruption.

Again, these forums are great for collectors discussing sports cards, lots of amazing information both good and bad.