Mystery's of the 1933 Goudey set....and, show us your Goudey's

[tedzan]

Thanks Pat for posting these 6 cards having the Copyright stamp on their backs.


Copyright dates on these 6 cards appear to confirm the 2-month period (noted in Post #58)
between when these cards were issued and the Copyright registration date.

Dickey printed on the 1st sheet, issued in Mar 1933.

Collins printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Cronin printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Maranville printed on the 5th sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Gehringer printed on the 9th sheet, issued in Aug 1933.

Ott printed on the 10th sheet, issued in Nov 1933.


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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Thanks Pat for posting these 6 cards having the Copyright stamp on their backs.


Copyright dates on these 6 cards appear to confirm the 2-month period (noted in Post #58)
between when these cards were issued and the Copyright registration date.

Dickey printed on the 1st sheet, issued in Mar 1933.

Collins printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Cronin printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Maranville printed on the 5th sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Gehringer printed on the 9th sheet, issued in Aug 1933.

Ott printed on the 10th sheet, issued in Nov 1933.


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Ted,
As king pointed out in the archive thread wouldn't the "date of publication"
be when the cards were issued?
Goudey Copyright Card (2).jpg

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,
As king pointed out in the archive thread wouldn't the "date of publication"
be when the cards were issued?
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With all due respect, I have to disagree with cmoking. King and I go back 10+ years ago when we did some nice cash/trade deals.

1st......the source(s) of my information regarding issue dates of the 10 (24-card sheets) 1933Goudey series are George Moll (ref. post #31); and,
Bob K (a neighbor who was avid collector of Goudey's). They collected these cards in their younger days, and we talked about this subject in 1981
when I visited with them.

2nd.....For example, check out the Mel Ott card you posted. It's Copyright date is Jan 23, 1934. No way, that the 10th sheet (World Series) cards
were issued that late.
As I stated in the 2nd paragraph (post #1) these cards were issued Nov 1933. This is a well known and confirmed fact.


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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

With all due respect, I have to disagree with cmoking. King and I go back 10+ years ago when we did some nice cash/trade deals.

1st......the source(s) of my information regarding issue dates of the 10 (24-card sheets) 1933Goudey series are George Moll (ref. post #31); and,
Bob K (a neighbor who was avid collector of Goudey's). They collected these cards in their younger days, and we talked about this subject in 1981
when I visited with them.

2nd.....For example, check out the Mel Ott card you posted. It's Copyright date is Jan 23, 1934. No way, that the 10th sheet (World Series) cards
were issued that late.As I stated in the 2nd paragraph (post #1) these cards were issued Nov 1933. This is a well known and confirmed fact.


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Ted,
It's my understanding that the dates stamped on the backs of the card(s)
is when the Library of congress received them.
Goudey Copyright Card (2) - Copy.jpg
Goudey Library Of Congress.jpg

and the "date of publication" is the date that Goudey gave as the issue date
when they sent them for the copyrights.
Goudey Copyright Card (3) - Copy.jpg

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,
It's my understanding that the dates stamped on the backs of the card(s)
is when the Library of congress received them.
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and the date of publication is the date that Goudey gave as the issue date
when they sent them for the copyrights.
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Pat

...... "the date that Goudey gave as the issue date when they sent them for the copyrights"......

doesn't in any way coincide with the actual date when these cards were printed and issued to the public market.
For whatever reasons, there was a delay by Goudey in submitted these cards to the Copyright Office.

As I have already stated.....the actual dates of the various series in this set is well known and a confirmed fact.
This has been documented by several long-time hobbyist (including Lew Lipset).

So, I really don't understand why you are missing this point ?


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[tedzan]

Cards on the 6th sheet of the 1933 Goudey set were issued circa Summer of '33. This fabulous sheet includes double-printed cards of Babe Ruth (#144).
Plus....Babe Ruth (card #149), Lou Gehrig (card #160), Jimmy Foxx (card #154), Leo Durocher (card #147), and the mysterious Moe Berg (card #158).

Does a series of vintage BB cards printed on one sheet get any better than this ?

I DON"T THINK SO !







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[tedzan]

Some more of my favorites from this great set. Show us your favorites.






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[tedzan]

Tough finding in reasonably nice condition...... #1 and #240.






Hey guys, let us see some more of your Goudey's.


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[tedzan]

Jack Quinn was a Major League pitcher for 23 continuous seasons (1909 - 1933). He owns several longevity records. For example,
Jack is the oldest pitcher to ever start a World Series game at age 46 in 1929 for the A's.

Furthermore, Jack Quinn is the only active Major Leaguer featured in the T206 set and the 1933 Goudey set (check-out post #40).





Frank Crosetti was involved in 23 - World Series as a Player and a Coach with the NY Yankees (37 - Major League seasons).
Crosetti's amazing record of 17 - World Series Championship Rings will probably never be surpassed.


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[tedzan]

Two Texans who could hit for high averages.


Tris Speaker's career BA = .345



Rogers Hornsby's career BA = .358

Plus, his BA = .424 for the 1924 season may never be surpassed.


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[brob28]

I've always liked Schumachers card, looks like he has a lot on his mind. And why not throw one in of the Mickey before Mickey.

[jmb]

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by brob28

I've always liked Schumachers card, looks like he has a lot on his mind. And why not throw one in of the Mickey before Mickey.

Hey Bill

As I'm sure you know, (but for those who don't)....Mickey Mantle was named after Mickey Cochrane, who was the favorite ballplayer of Mantle's Dad.


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[Yoda]

There is a very interesting #181 SGC 20 Ruth in the For Love of the Game current auction; it is clearly misprinted and must have somehow been missed by the hawk-eyed quality control inspectors at the Goudey print plant. As others have clearly stated, the quality control standards at Goudey were vastly superior to early 20th century tobacco issuers. I have handled a lot of Goudeys over the years and have never seen one exactly like it, let alone on a Ruth specimen.

[tedzan]

Two very interesting ballplayers. One whose fame was on the playing field and another whose fame was off the playing field.

Charles Gehringer is rated as one of the all-around greatest 2nd Baseman.

Moe Berg had an unbelievable life. I highly recommend reading his SABR bio...... http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e1e65b3b







Hey guys,
Are there any more Goudey's out there to be displayed here ?


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[smellthegum]

Here's my meager contribution (and first post). These are the only three I have. Always loved the artwork and the look and quality of the lithography on the Goudey sets but never tried to build them as so many are beyond my means in high grade, even raw.

[brob28]

Here's a few more Ted, I don't know much about Crowder, but he must have been a popular player to warrant two cards in the set. Nice ones Dave.

[tedzan]

Hi Dave Waugh

Very sharp looking Goudey's....thanks for posting them.

Originally Posted by brob28

Here's a few more Ted, I don't know much about Crowder, but he must have been a popular player to warrant two cards in the set. Nice ones Dave.

Hi Bill

Your Alvin Crowder (pitching) is really sharp. Crowder is repeated (like a number of guys in this set) because he was included in the "World Series" sheet.










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[brob28]

Ahh yes right! It always throws me since they did not number the cards sequentially by "print sheet/series date". I'm always expecting the higher # cards to be from that last sheet.

[SMPEP]

I probably should have posted this a long time ago - but this set has a subset that is my own personal "Howe McCormick" type challenge. You can see from the photos below that someone (probably a T206 collector who liked the size better) trimmed these down and then added some nice graphics (including black borders that really make these pop in my eyes).

Honestly, people talk about their favorite and most valuable cards and show 1952 Topps Mantles in PSA 7+ condition - but I think these are the best cards in my entire collection. The love that went into making them is just unreal. I love the 4 different Alvin Crowder variations for example.

I've never posted these before because I "think" I have the entire collection. IT is missing major HOFers though - so I wonder if there are a few that have eluded me.

IF you ever see any of these, please let me know! I am actively looking to recreate this original collection - much as our friend is trying to recreare Mr. McCormick's collection.

Cheers,
Patrick

[Jerry G]

Patrick,

I can't believe I am attracted to these altered cards. They go against everything that I have ever believed about cards, but they are creepily creative and cool. Wow! Someone really had a vision and followed through. Thanks for sharing. Hey, I have a few doubles. Hmmm.

[brob28]

I agree with, those have some nice eye appeal. Are they trimmed to the size of T206's? Thank you for sharing, if I run into any I'll be sure to let you know.