Do these look a bit off?....Willards Ruth, Cobb etc...

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

I sent him a message letting him know they were fakes "In case he didn't know"

Here's the reply I got:
"You are welcome to win them and get them graded you will be given a full refund if they fail however once encapsulated you will have a one million dollar lawsuit filed against you I am an 85 year old man who's son just died 30 days ago i was given some of these cards as a boy and others i bought as a young man send me a written apology or your attorneys name and # your choice You must have very deep pockets slander is very expensive my lawyer you will know very well , she's on the news weekly ."

It's almost like this guy went to school before they invented the period.

Then I got this one a few minutes later:
"How dare you insult me during my time of greatest grief my son dying at only 51 are you a monster or insane ! YOU WILL APOLOGIZE or pay dearly you scum"

I dont understand this guy's response if he believes they are real. If he mentioned an attorney, it is juvenile at best. The obsession people have with mention of an attorney when someone gets upset is ludicrous. It undermines them in such inappropriate times, and means their word means nothing to me.

[jburl]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

I dont understand this guy's response if he believes they are real. If he mentioned an attorney, it is juvenile at best. The obsession people have with mention of an attorney when someone gets upset is ludicrous. It undermines them in such inappropriate times, and means their word means nothing to me.

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[MW1]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

I dont understand this guy's response if he believes they are real. If he mentioned an attorney, it is juvenile at best. The obsession people have with mention of an attorney when someone gets upset is ludicrous. It undermines them in such inappropriate times, and means their word means nothing to me.

I think most or all of the cards are real. They've just been soaked with various solvents and the scanner isn't the best. The seller has been around long enough to have been able to acquire material like that so it isn't that surprising.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by MW1

I think most or all of the cards are real. They've just been soaked with various solvents and the scanner isn't the best. The seller has been around long enough to have been able to acquire material like that so it isn't that surprising.

Saying that from my previous post, I think there are serious issues with the latest 1923 Willard's Ruth that rdixon posted the link to. First the borders look too wide, and also the corners look to well rounded. When I see something like that, it screams fake to me. And when one item in the lot is fake, it makes me very skeptical of the rest, especially if they are all top tier HOF'ers and no similar looking commons.

[MW1]

Gary,

I really don't think the Ruth is a reprint. There are definitely examples out there with top and bottom borders sized that way and other examples have rough cuts on the right and left edges as if they've been removed from a strip of cards. It seems to me that the card in question had some staining near the corners which was removed with a solvent, causing some damage to that area. Then, someone just trimmed the damaged areas so that the corners were rounded. It was a crude process but that's what I see when I look at it.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by MW1

Gary,

I really don't think the Ruth is a reprint. There are definitely examples out there with top and bottom borders sized that way and other examples have rough cuts on the right and left edges as if they've been removed from a strip of cards. It seems to me that the card in question had some staining near the corners which was removed with a solvent, causing some damage to that area. Then, someone just trimmed the damaged areas so that the corners were rounded. It was a crude process but that's what I see when I look at it.

I've been wrong plenty of times, so this wouldn't be a first. I'm okay with the top/bottom borders (maybe), but the left/right seem too wide to me (in addition to the rounded corners, of course). I've attached some images of non-trimmed examples that I found on the internet.

[Leon]

Even though they look a bit off I am now leaning towards them being good with issues, as Michael stated. And 3 of them are listed again....(I have seen solvent or chemicals make cards look bad previously, as many here have)

http://www.ebay.com/sch/prdaniel62/m...p2047675.l2562


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[Econteachert205]

I have no idea if they are good or not but if I was the seller and had all this drama surrounding the cards, I would bite the bullet and get them graded. In this case it would likely assure a higher price realized even only graded as auth.