Babe Ruth Ban Johnson Ball

[shelly]

Ok I really did not want to bring this up. Most of you know ball players are sent cards to be signed and then placed into a pack. I know for a fact that one of those players had his brother sign all the cards.
What would you call that. I think Ken Golden has heard about this as well.
Remember these cards are being sold as being an authentic autograph.

[SikSyko]

Originally Posted by shelly

Ok I really did not want to bring this up. Most of you know ball players are sent cards to be signed and then placed into a pack. I know for a fact that one of those players had his brother sign all the cards.
What would you call that. I think Ken Golden has heard about this as well.
Remember these cards are being sold as being an authentic autograph.

I was told by an NHL player who played in the mid to late 90's that Classic gave him a bunch of cards to sign at the draft. It was him, his girlfriend and a few friends signing them in the hotel room. There is 6 of them on eBay right now.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Just my opinion, I'm familiar with both terms. For me an auto in the hand of anyone other than the person implied is an imposter/ forgery.

And, of course, your opinion is just as good as fact.

We live in a country where stupidity and ignorance are prized, and an education is something to be derided. It's no wonder then that one would continually, consciously, and most of all, proudly, ignore important distinctions.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And, of course, your opinion is just as good as fact.

We live in a country where stupidity and ignorance are prized, and an education is something to be derided. It's no wonder then that one would continually, consciously, and most of all, proudly, ignore important distinctions.

David I respect you as a collector, and would hope you value my opinion as much as I'd value yours. I'm just not a fan of the term "clubhouse" if a signature is not authentic, it's not authentic. Just one mans point of view, I am not attempting to persuade anyone to think alike.

[Nyygameused]

Hostility runs rampant on this forum I see

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Hostility runs rampant on this forum I see

You are participating in a forum where people who know a lot more than you are giving you a free education. A better response would be "thank you".

[RichardSimon]

I was told this story by a friend so it is an anecdote but I think it is true.
A famed former player, a very controversial well known player, agreed verbally to a deal to sign 1000 autograph pieces for $5000 for someone he was friendly with. This guy was a photographer whose work was used by the card companies. (this incident took place quite a few years ago).
The guy shows up the next day lugging 1000 photos , balls, cards, etc.
He goes into the clubhouse to meet the player and the player arrives with two other people. The three of them sit down and start signing the players name.
The photographer is taken aback and after a few minutes he says "wait a minute, I paid you (pointing to the player) to sign, not these guys." The former player says, "don't worry, these guys can write my name as good as I can." The photographer keeps complaining, the former player throws the pen down and says "f--- this, I don't need this s--t" and he gets up with his guys and leaves.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You are participating in a forum where people who know a lot more than you are giving you a free education. A better response would be "thank you".

Yes Scott, I bow down to everyone and their memorabilia wisdom and holiness.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by shelly

Ok I really did not want to bring this up. Most of you know ball players are sent cards to be signed and then placed into a pack. I know for a fact that one of those players had his brother sign all the cards.
What would you call that. I think Ken Golden has heard about this as well.
Remember these cards are being sold as being an authentic autograph.

The signature is a proxy.

However, the player committed fraud if he entered into a contract to provide authentic autographs, and he provided proxy signatures instead.

[Shoeless Moe]

How much was the seller asking for it?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

The signature is a proxy.

However, the player committed fraud if he entered into a contract to provide authentic autographs, and he provided proxy signatures instead.

Now it is proxy. He did just what other players have done over the years. They where paid to sign and they had some one else do there job. If you want some of the most famous players in the history of sports to go to jail I am with you. Let us throw HOF baseball football and basketball players in for fraud.

What if I where to tell you that the company knew that it happened and did nothing. I know for a fact at least a dozen or more players did what I said. It was a joke. Just like auto companys cheaper to let people die than to spend the money to what is right.
People own autographs signed from sisters brothers and friends. They belive there authentic because companys say they are good.
Just remember the HBO special. One card sold for 80,000 dollars because UD said it was good.