The Hall of Fame of Uniform Numbers

[tedzan]

9...... Joe DiMaggio

Rookie year (1936) uniform #.


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[clydepepper]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1294715]9...... Joe DiMaggio

Rookie year (1936) uniform #.



6- Mickey Mantle's Rookie Year #

[Collectorsince62]

When you're universally recognized as the greatest player in the history of your sport, you should get a mention here. Pele. #10.

[sebie43]

#84- Randy Moss in his prime Minnesota years... man I hated him and Culpepper

[bobbvc]

What # was Secretariat? Yeah, I know... But there are always problems with these multi-sport polls.

[frankbmd]

El Guapo

[Jim65]

Because the spot is empty

#62 Jim Langer

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

What # was Secretariat? Yeah, I know... But there are always problems with these multi-sport polls.

#2. Imagine if a horse beat Jeter.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by sebie43

#84- Randy Moss in his prime Minnesota years... man I hated him and Culpepper

I'll see your Randy Moss and raise you a Sterling Sharpe for #84.

It's too bad Sharpe had to retire. He was on his way to becoming one of the greatest receivers to ever play the game. 595 catches, 8,134 yards, 65 touchdown receptions before age 30...and the season after he had to retire Favre became NFL MVP. The three years he did play with Favre, he average 105 catches, 1,285 yards and 14 touchdowns. Imagine him with Favre at an elite level.

[sebie43]

If he stayed healthy it might be a valid argument. But Randy Moss nearly doubled all of the numbers you listed, luckily he played with Brady towards the end. I respect your opinion Bill but I dont think there is much of an argument to be made at 84. Maybe the board will chime in.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by sebie43

If he stayed healthy it might be a valid argument. But Randy Moss nearly doubled all of the numbers you listed, luckily he played with Brady towards the end. I respect your opinion Bill but I dont think there is much of an argument to be made at 84. Maybe the board will chime in.

Sebastian, yes, Moss did beat his career numbers handily. And in their first seven years, Sharpe had 21 more catches, but 1,008 fewer yards and 17 fewer touchdowns.

But, Moss started with Randall Cunningham throwing him the ball. Then he had Daunte Culpepper. And he had Robert Smith then Michael Bennett in the backfield, and Cris Carter on the other side of the field. Then later he had some guy named Tom Brady throwing him the ball. Sharpe had Favre the gunslinger before he settled down, and became NFL MVP.

Sharpe had nobody else on offense. He had Randy Wright and Anthony Dilweg throwing him the ball when Don Majkowski wasn't healthy, which outside of 1989 was all the time. Then he had Mike Tomczak throwing him the ball. And finally Favre.

Sharpe played from 1988 to 1994. In that time, how many 1,000 yard running backs did Green Bay have?

Zero.

How many 1,000 yard wide receivers or tight ends did Sharpe have in the same offense while playing in Green Bay?

Zero.

So, I ask you. Who was more impressive? Moss, who was surrounded by Pro Bowlers on offense, or Sharpe, who had no help at all?

Anybody who played Green Bay knew the ball was going to Sharpe. And even when they double teamed him, they couldn't stop him. His last three years, Sharpe had 314 receptions for 3,854 yards and 42 TDs.

If you ask me, with all respect for Moss, who was a great football player, Sharpe was unstoppable.

[the 'stache]

And by the way, Moss never led the NFL in receptions or yardage. Nor did he achieve the receiving triple crown, leading the NFL in receptions, yards and TDs. Sharpe led the NFL in receptions three times, setting the NFL record for receptions twice in back to back seasons.

Moss played 14 years. He was a Pro Bowler six times, and first team All Pro four times.

Sharpe played 7 years. He was a Pro Bowler five times, and first team All Pro three times.

In half the years, Sharpe had only one fewer Pro Bowl nod, and one fewer first team All Pro nod. And that's with Moss having Cunningham, Culpepper and Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

So, I don't think it's as cut and dry as it might appear at first, Sebastian.

[sebie43]

Unfortunately horses dont get assigned numbers, if they did I would argue for Secretariat

[sebie43]

Your probably right Bill, I dont have all the stats to back me up... it was just my opinion.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by sebie43

Your probably right Bill, I dont have all the stats to back me up... it was just my opinion.

I know, Sebastian, and I absolutely respect your opinion. I do.

Unfortunately, I have nothing but free time. But, I always try to provide the statistics, accolades, or articles written by journalists, authors and historians to support my positions. Sometimes I'm right, often times I'm not. But I feel it is always better to make an educated statement. I often learn things I did not know, either from my own research, or from posts made by others. And it makes for a much more interesting discussion.

There's nothing I love more than having a spirited debate. This forum is filled with intelligent posters who are incredibly knowledgeable about baseball, and sports in general. Discussions like these always bring a smile to my face.

Have a good day!

[sebie43]

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many songs is Lidstrom mentioned in?

[tedzan]

#1........ Billy Martin

#8........ Bill Dickey

#9........ Roger Maris (Yankees, Cardinals)

#10...... Phil Rizzuto

#14...... Gil Hodges

#23...... Don Mattingly

#36...... Johnny Mize



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[glynparson]

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

Terrell Owens belongs in the discussion too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To continue Ted's thought, Mariano Rivera, 42.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by sebie43

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

I had baseball reference run a report of all players who between 1900 and 2014 accumulated 3,000 or more plate appearances, of which 75% of games played were as a center fielder. There are 92 such players. And on that list, Joe DiMaggio is the #2 center fielder in modern baseball history. Tris Speaker played much of his career in the dead ball era (which ended in 1919. Speaker started playing in 1907). The only player ahead of DiMaggio on the list is Willie Mays. DiMaggio's OPS + is 155. Mays put up a 156 OPS +. Willie Mays lost nearly two years of his baseball career when drafted by the army during the Korean War. Mays was 21 and 22 in his second and third year. Joe DiMaggio, however, lost three full seasons of his prime (1943, '44 and '45 when he was 28, 29 and 30) to military service in the air force.



Bill James stated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home ballpark (Yankee Stadium) than any other player in history. Mickey Mantle stated that he and Whitey Ford witnessed many DiMaggio blasts that would have been home runs in any other stadium beside Yankee Stadium. 1.

These numbers, of course, only measure offense. And while Mays was an outstanding defensive outfielder, DiMaggio was a pretty good outfielder in his own regard.

You have to think that if DiMaggio has those three seasons in his prime, he exceeds 500 home runs and 2,000 RBI. And his OPS + goes up by at least one point, tying Mays, if not 2.

So the short answer, is Joe DiMaggio the second best center fielder of all-time? I would say yes, as far as center fielders of the modern era are concerned. He might even be, and in my opinion would have been, the best center fielder in modern baseball history.

[Butch7999]

All due respect, but you sure you ran that right?
Mantle played 76% of his games in center and ran up a career OPS+ of 172...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...antlmi01.shtml
Apologies if we're missing something...

[frankbmd]

More impressive to me than Joe's consecutive game hitting streak in 1941 is the fact that for his entire career he hit 361 home rums and struck out only 369 times.

That is a career HR/K ratio of .978731978, which is phenomenal.

Third place in this metric is probably Yogi who had 358 home runs and 414 career strike outs for a ratio of .86.

The list of those above .50 I would maintain is very short. There are a few though including Lefty O'Doul, Johnny Mize, Lou Gehrig, Kluszewski, Ott, Musial, Williams and Dickey. Actually O'Doul is above Berra, but with a much shorter career. There may be a few others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And even more impressive than that are TWO great nicknames -- Joltin' Joe and the Yankee Clipper.

Not to mention the immortal lyric, we want you on our side.

[sebie43]

#96 Tomas Holmstrom- Homer is certainly worthy. A career of dirty work paid off with 4 cups.

[veleno45]

A couple more negro leaguers...
Josh Gibson-and if memory serves me it is #20-sorry Barry Sanders and Frank Robinson, I still love you though.

Cool Papa Bell #17
Ray Dandridge #38
Satchel Paige wore 17, 22, 25, 26, 29, and 49 I think (although I am still trying to get that verified, any help?). Can we just list him number 1 in each?

[veleno45]

Since #44 has baseball and basketball we might as well add John Riggins to the list, though I certainly do not think he beats out that baseball guy.

[Tabe]

When I think of Bo Jackson, I think of #34 (Auburn and Oakland), not #16 (Kansas City).

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by veleno45

Since #44 has baseball and basketball we might as well add John Riggins to the list, though I certainly do not think he beats out that baseball guy.

Wow, Chris - you sure know how to show respect. That baseball guy is MR. Henry Louis Aaron !

[veleno45]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Wow, Chris - you sure know how to show respect. That baseball guy is MR. Henry Louis Aaron !

Clyde,

I was joking by calling him "that baseball guy". One of the best ever of course.

[sebie43]

#71 Evgeni Malkin- 632 points in 508 games , Just a thought at an odd number.