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| View Poll Results: Top Tier HOF'ers - M. Brown / Waddell/ Joss | |||
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04-28-2014, 09:17 PM
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Phil,
What about Kid Nichols? IMO he has a much better claim to being a top tier pitcher than any of these three. 
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04-28-2014, 09:31 PM
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Indeed he does, by the numbers. And to reiterate, Joss' raw numbers must be considered in the context of the dead ball era. Adjusted for era, they aren't that great. This is not a difficult concept. Nichols: Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·) Black Ink Pitching - 35 (46), Average HOFer ≈ 40 Gray Ink Pitching - 309 (9), Average HOFer ≈ 185 Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 228 (16), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 69 (9), Average HOFer ≈ 50 JAWS Starting Pitcher (4th), 116.5 career WAR/75.1 7yr-peak WAR/95.8 JAWS
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04-28-2014, 09:38 PM
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Tim Keefe also looks very good by the numbers.
Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·) Black Ink Pitching - 58 (19), Average HOFer ≈ 40 Gray Ink Pitching - 245 (23), Average HOFer ≈ 185 Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 271 (6), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 70 (7), Average HOFer ≈ 50 JAWS Starting Pitcher (12th), 86.7 career WAR/66.5 7yr-peak WAR/76.5 JAWS
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