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How is it different than buying a used car, that a 3rd party mechanic says is good- condition. Fix it a little. use a little bondo, put some engine quieting mud in the crankcase. Then a 3rd party mechanic says it's excellent. And it is sold at a profit. I'm not convinced that is a crime.. Jes sayin
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"A statement of belief is not a statement of fact and thus is not fraudulent. Puffing, or the expression of a glowing opinion by a seller, is likewise not fraudulent. For example, a car dealer may represent that a particular vehicle is "the finest in the lot." Although the statement may not be true, it is not a statement of fact, and a reasonable buyer would not be justified in relying on it." - again, http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud |
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Just plodded through the link.....clear as mud now.
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It pretty much comes down to you can't use the mail or any private interstate carrier to commit a fraud. Similar statute (wire fraud) that covers the phone/email side of things. Trust me the obstacle is not finding a crime to fit.
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I don't know about Cornellians, but I think the subject of this thread is a Cornholian.
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That's an excellent point. I read that not too long ago and I was wondering how long has PSA had that agreement on their submission forms. Does anyone still have some really old submission forms to verify that this disclosure existed a long time ago or was it rather a relatively recent addition?
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Ya think that clause has been violated a couple of times here and there? LOL.
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They had this provision on the coin side for some time -- was the basis for a lawsuit that quick research shows was filed but never actually served.
http://www.coinlink.com/News/pdf/CU_vs_Coin_doctors.pdf
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As I recall the judge threw out the case for a number of reasons. One reason was several of the defendants were from California, so the Federal court had no jurisdiction. As for the rest, as I recall, the judge threw it out because it basically amounted to CU suing it's dealers for damages incurred for CU's own incompetence. It should be on PACER.GOV.
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This article suggests the suit was never served. http://www.coinworld.com/articles/de...erse-attorneys
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Scariest thing about the coin doctoring is the surfaces are smoothed using a laser. Wouldn't that be virtually impossible to detect?
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With the usual 10X magnifier? Yes. I've seen only one altered coin that I know of, and it was done well before the laser stuff. Added mintmark, not really obvious, but it also didn't look right either. The dealer whose shop I hung out at had just taken it back, having sold it 15+ years earlier. (It failed TPG when the buyer wanted to sell) Easy return too, basically a "Hey, that coin I bought a long time ago turned out to be altered" "Really? Do you have it with you?" "Yes, here it is" "Jeez how did I miss that? How much did you pay? I seem to remember $X" "Yeah, that sounds about right" " Is a check ok" - Not even a question of whether he'd take it back. He used it as an example of what to look for for a while, last I saw it it was in a cardboard 2x2 holder with a lot of writing describing the alteration and a couple big red stripes. It probably found it's way to the smelter eventually. That's one of the reasons I still visit and buy stuff from him. No drama, even when there's a problem. Steve B Steve B |
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I wish I could get some bumps in my cards I got some signed at the National and graded on the spot, and they came back lower than the pre-signed slab...just my luck
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Steve- you should be able to detect an added mintmark pretty easily. But a laser that simply smoothed light scratches out of the surface of a coin could be a whole lot tougher.
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Under 10x it might not be visible, but much higher magnification makes the flow lines and grain structure of the metal visible. Still pretty worrisome for anyone buying an expensive coin that's not graded, or that was graded earlier. And yes, the added mintmark was pretty easy to spot. Typical solder job with the coin roughed up a bit in that area then polished and slightly re-tarnished. It was a Half too, a 1921-D. Not high grade, Maybe fine. Steve B |
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All this fraud restores my faith in humanity.
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I am told by a Board member that Joe P. is set up at the Valley Forge show, in case anyone wants to drop by and shoot the breeze.
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Or in case they have a card they want to enhance the appearance of
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Looks like Rick will be set up as well.
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I hope the Feds show up too!
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Why? Nobody is going to be onsite trimming cards.
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No. They will not be there. No shill bidding going on at the show.
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You sure? There might even be a guy or two giving lessons.
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Holy cow, can we agree to let this thread go? It was started when Moby Dick was a minnow....Please, no regrets about Rick...Based on the business he does, I'm sure he can handle his business....
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My only question
Is the reason Joe P's name was put back in the title was he refused to "Confress" his guilt to these accusations.
Isn't that a bit strange that we accuse people of things and then his name was put back into lights. At this point -- take his name out and move on. It seems like this began last month. |
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my only question
if Joe P sets up at shows and sells his own stuff, then
WHY DOES HE CONSIGN WITH PROBSTEIN? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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IMO threads like this serve a very good and useful purpose.
I highly doubt they change much behavior along the way on the part of buyers or sellers but it's good to know.
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I mean...c'mon guys...can't we just let the corruption continue?!?! It's the american way?!?!
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Just curious, anyone hear about sgc's determination about the altered 34 Goudey? Greg? Population report? anyone?
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Nope, and tomorrow makes 5 weeks. It's starting to smell really rotten.
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Maybe it went in on an economy submission.
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5 weeks...
I think PSA has quicker turnaround times
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Lol
Pete, you're right, it is the American way
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I don't "smell" anything, but I am getting visions of tumbleweeds in a ghost town.
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6 weeks today since the altered '34 Goudey Gehrig was (supposedly) sent to SGC. I've resolved to the fact that we will not hear anything more on this matter and it was covered up, swept under the rug. Therefore, this will be my last bump.
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It will probably never happen, but I would like to see this thread "pinned" to the top until "we" (the bulk of 54) get answers. Isn't Greg a member here? He ignores the questions that are asked point blank? wtf?
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There are members here whose names happen to be Greg but I do not think Greg B is a member here (certainly not an active member) and may not even know about this thread or that anyone is even interested in the outcome of 34 Gehrig.
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Well, if you enter the cert # for that card (1293008-010) on the SGC registry, you can see that it's still at 92, so either SGC hasn't changed the grade or the card was never submitted to SGC.
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I thought Chris Browne posted that he has asked him a couple of times, so he knows.
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If Gary's cert check sugegsts the card is still in the 92 holder, then either Greg never sent the card for review or SGC reviewed it and felt it was graded right. Without Greg or someone from SGC speaking to this, we cannot know. |
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