Net54baseball id "Sportscollector"

[vintagetoppsguy]

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

Short answer is yes. My guess, and this is only a guess, is that John Perez aka Den Prak, wasn't really Den Prak at all...nor John Perez, but in fact the ring leader whose name is unknown right now. There is a chance they gave each other login info on the board. It seems they were sharing some info between them with paypal, ebay or other accounts. Allegedly Den and several others are this ringleaders pawns. All that being said, I am only sure that Den is residing in jail, as evidenced by the above posts. Everything else is conjecture. I hope the whole kit and kaboodle get thrown in jail. My guess is that the ringleader is going to be difficult to catch unless there is cooperation from the Mexican authorities. It's a very tangled web....and a very large one.

[Sean1125]

If anyone needs paypal help please PM me.

[Zone91]

Leon

Great job on this case!!! Now he can be a big time loser in jail!!!

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[CW]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

Perhaps he used his "one phone call" from jail so he could log onto Net54 and post his "goodbye, I'm leaving" thread?



Good to hear Paypal is working with you, Peter (this hobby should be nothing but fun and it sucks when you have to deal with this crap).

It's crazy to think the secret service is involved, but it's good to know they have our back!

[MBMiller25]

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your holder is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your older is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

I am also rather concerned at their lack of response to issues like this. I would think it reasonable to at least address it.

[ullmandds]

it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!

[DavidG1966]

Fake Packs Authenticated by PSA and FBI Investigations and Fake PSA Slabs and Secret Service Investigations.... What could be next?

Maybe this guy knows?

[martindl]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!

But then you'd be dishonest too.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by martindl

But then you'd be dishonest too.

I think that if paypal issues a refund and doesn't request the card, it's yours.
Unless the seller wants it back after he serves his time.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your holder is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

I had similar thoughts reading through this thread. It seems like the fake PSA holder scam has been going on for at least 6 years - starting on Craigslist if I recall correctly. It's somewhat comforting to know that federal law enforcement is now involved, yet one has to wonder how many bad slabs are out there (quite a few I suspect over that length of time) and why wasn't PSA more proactive in improving their product? I know there were CU threads about this problem and of course they would be instantly deleted. PSA once used a hologram and some decoder gimmick - both of which were discontinued - but nothing really that "packs a punch" in addressing the problem.

[arc2q]

What is the story about the photo of the guy holding the graded slab with a Cookie Monster picture inside and the Cops mugshot in the background? I have seen reference to this on multiple threads but no context. What is this story there?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by arc2q

What is the story about the photo of the guy holding the graded slab with a Cookie Monster picture inside and the Cops mugshot in the background? I have seen reference to this on multiple threads but no context. What is this story there?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=andrew

[Julz24]

Originally Posted by arc2q

What is the story about the photo of the guy holding the graded slab with a Cookie Monster picture inside and the Cops mugshot in the background? I have seen reference to this on multiple threads but no context. What is this story there?

I've been wondering the same thing.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Julz24

I've been wondering the same thing.

Basically another (former) Net54 member claimed he owned the famous T206 Nun’s Wagner and offered it for sale here on the boards not knowing its provenance. He was busted rather quickly, but stuck to his story. He offered “proof” that he owned the card by taking a picture with it. The pic was clearly photoshopped. Then the thread was spoofed by other members posting the same pic, but with him holding other famous items/memorabilia. He stuck with his story until the very end, never admitting he made the whole thing up. He was banned.

[the 'stache]

I just finished reading this whole thread, and my head is spinning.

I hope this guy ends up in a cell with a substantial man named Rufus.

[nsaddict]

Rufus or his toothless cousin with the tattooed eyeballs, Ben Dover

[Leon]

I just received a PM from another board member that analyzed the card he bought from these scammers. It is 100% altered. It looks like a large percentage are going to be altered. I believe he has opened a paypal dispute too. To anyone that bought a card from them be advised it could be altered and act quickly. That might be the only chance to recoup monies.