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[ullmandds]

On the urging of a fellow board member...I just attempted to open a dispute with paypal...but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse?

Still waiting for response from SGC BTW!?

[Taxman]

How did you fund the transfer? If by CC you could have some rights with the CC company.

[Wite3]

Was it funds from a linked bank account or credit card? If credit card...you might have some recourse with the cc company.

[ullmandds]

unfortunately...it was through my bank acct?!?!!?

[Taxman]

Since it "could" be fraud, call the bank.

[Leon]

This whole thing is going to get a bit bigger. My understanding is that this is a ring of scammers. I am told by a reliable source that Den was arrested 2 days ago and charged with 4 felony counts of fraud. My understanding is he is a pawn, along with others, in the scheme and the mastermind is now making himself out to be Den. Den supposedly is currently residing in a San Diego jail. I haven't confirmed it yet. Also, I am told this could get into 7 figure fraud territory, including thousand(s) of counterfeit cards. I do think the deals done recently on the board are going to be ok (not positive).....though there could be an alteration here or there. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Of course this person using Den's name has a Magic Jack phone which can't be traced. He is believed to be in Mexico going back and forth across the border into California. I haven't confirmed any of this but this is what I am being told.

[Taxman]

Leon you are correct.

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDet...yW3yhH9cKrU%3d

PERSONAL INFORMATION


Booking Nbr: 13736859 Last Name: PRAKONEKHAM First Name: DENPHET
Middle Name: Sex: M Race/Ethnicity: O
Date of Birth: 5/4/1964 Age: 49 Hair: BLK
Eyes: BRO Height: 5' 06" Weight: 120


HOUSING LOCATION


Facility: San Diego Central Jail Area/Housing Unit: 2/BKG
Address: 1173 Front Street City: San Diego


*For additional information, please click on specific link listed below*

[Leon]

Hi Kirk...a bit more from the same site...


PERSONAL INFORMATION
Booking Nbr: 13736859 Last Name: PRAKONEKHAM First Name: DENPHET
Middle Name: Sex: M Race/Ethnicity: O
Date of Birth: 5/4/1964 Age: 49 Hair: BLK
Eyes: BRO Height: 5' 06" Weight: 120
HOUSING LOCATION
Facility: San Diego Central Jail Area/Housing Unit: 2/BKG
Address: 1173 Front Street City: San Diego

*For additional information, please click on specific link listed below*
Facility Information & Directions Public Visiting Guidelines Visiting Schedule
SERVICES
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Email this Inmate Schedule a Visit with this Inmate Register with VineLink for Status Notification of this Inmate Shop the Commissary

ARREST INFORMATION
Arrest Agency: San Diego Police Department Date Booked: 05/28/2013 Time Booked: 18:10:49
Bail Information
Eligible For Release, But Court Approval is Required, Bail Amount: $110,000
* Note: Bail amounts subject to change from Court Proceedings.
RELEASE
Sentenced?: No
Projected Release Date:
CASE / CHARGE INFORMATION
Case # Arr Chg Code Section Code Description *CL Court Court Date Time *ROC Bail Amount
1 1 530.5(A) PC GET CREDIT/ETC OTHER'S ID F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $50,000
1 2 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 3 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 4 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
* Note: CL - Charge Class (F - Felony, M - Misdemeanor, I - Infraction)
ROC - Reason On Calendar

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[howard38]

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[botn]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

unfortunately...it was through my bank acct?!?!!?

Sure there are lawyers on here who know better but the type of electronic transfer of funds you did is not protected by this type of fraud. The bank can retrieve money if the transfer was not one you authorized. ETFs do not have the recourse we are afforded through credit card purchases. Obviously this guy thought about that when he structured your deal. At this point, assuming the card does not grade, your only recourse would be to sue or hope he/they are made to pay restitution, which ends up being pennies on the dollar. Just ask JP Cohen.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.

Scott recently disputed one that wasn't for goods/services in this thread and he won. You might PM him for more details.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=paypal

[sb1]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

On the urging of a fellow board member...I just attempted to open a dispute with paypal...but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse?

Still waiting for response from SGC BTW!?

Peter,

Call paypal directly, I did when the Hope for Charities deal hit the fan, it too was out of the normal purchases realm. They made an exception and filed for a refund which I obtained after the standard waiting period.

Scott

[vintagetoppsguy]

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

Short answer is yes. My guess, and this is only a guess, is that John Perez aka Den Prak, wasn't really Den Prak at all...nor John Perez, but in fact the ring leader whose name is unknown right now. There is a chance they gave each other login info on the board. It seems they were sharing some info between them with paypal, ebay or other accounts. Allegedly Den and several others are this ringleaders pawns. All that being said, I am only sure that Den is residing in jail, as evidenced by the above posts. Everything else is conjecture. I hope the whole kit and kaboodle get thrown in jail. My guess is that the ringleader is going to be difficult to catch unless there is cooperation from the Mexican authorities. It's a very tangled web....and a very large one.

[Sean1125]

If anyone needs paypal help please PM me.

[Zone91]

Leon

Great job on this case!!! Now he can be a big time loser in jail!!!

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[CW]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?

Perhaps he used his "one phone call" from jail so he could log onto Net54 and post his "goodbye, I'm leaving" thread?



Good to hear Paypal is working with you, Peter (this hobby should be nothing but fun and it sucks when you have to deal with this crap).

It's crazy to think the secret service is involved, but it's good to know they have our back!

[MBMiller25]

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your holder is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your older is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

I am also rather concerned at their lack of response to issues like this. I would think it reasonable to at least address it.

[ullmandds]

it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!

[DavidG1966]

Fake Packs Authenticated by PSA and FBI Investigations and Fake PSA Slabs and Secret Service Investigations.... What could be next?

Maybe this guy knows?

[martindl]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!

But then you'd be dishonest too.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by MBMiller25

It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your holder is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

I had similar thoughts reading through this thread. It seems like the fake PSA holder scam has been going on for at least 6 years - starting on Craigslist if I recall correctly. It's somewhat comforting to know that federal law enforcement is now involved, yet one has to wonder how many bad slabs are out there (quite a few I suspect over that length of time) and why wasn't PSA more proactive in improving their product? I know there were CU threads about this problem and of course they would be instantly deleted. PSA once used a hologram and some decoder gimmick - both of which were discontinued - but nothing really that "packs a punch" in addressing the problem.

[arc2q]

What is the story about the photo of the guy holding the graded slab with a Cookie Monster picture inside and the Cops mugshot in the background? I have seen reference to this on multiple threads but no context. What is this story there?

[the 'stache]

I just finished reading this whole thread, and my head is spinning.

I hope this guy ends up in a cell with a substantial man named Rufus.

[Taxman]

If you talked to them and paypal does not honor the refund. You might try filing a claim with the San Jose Better Business Bureau. It worked for me on a bad deal(resealed wax) about 3 years ago.

[ullmandds]

everyone...thanks for your advice...it's going to be a busy afternoon!!!

[Theo_450]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

everyone...thanks for your advice...it's going to be a busy afternoon!!!

File a police report! You need that sort of documentation.

[ullmandds]

Thanks ted...if i end up filing fraud through my bank i was told that may be a good idea.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Thanks ted...if i end up filing fraud through my bank i was told that may be a good idea.

Peter,

Was the card real? Will you be able to get your money back and still keep the card?

Just wondering.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

On the urging of a fellow board member...I just attempted to open a dispute with paypal...but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse?

Still waiting for response from SGC BTW!?

you should always pay with a credit card. paypal succumbs to them.

pay with a credit card, if you have a problem open your case with the credit card company. once you open the claim with paypal, you lose some of the power from the credit card company.

the credit card company will instantly credit you the money, then ask questions later. that is what you get for the 6 to 22 percent interest they charge on unpaid balances. they take the fraud hit on them, instead of leaving it on you. don't be fooled, if you pay with a bank card and the transaction is put through as a debit, then you have way less power in the dispute, then if it is put through as a cc transaction on the card.

kevin